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post Jan 17, 2013 - 11:10 PM
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I like everyone else on this forum love the celica and like most of you, I want more out of what the stock motor can offer (without throwing lots of cash at it)
What I have is a Cherry Red 1996 Celica Liftback 2.2L w/5-speed transmission with 220,000 miles on it, a few months ago the engine started to finally show signs that it was ready for the ol scrapyard.
Given that I have grown attached to the car and I DEFINITELY NEVER want to give it up i decided that I would like to take this opportunity to put the 3S-GTE GenIII motor into it in place of the stock engine (5S-FE i believe)
I opted for the Gen3 motor because it already comes water cooled (based on a couple months research) and comes right out of the same chasis frame as my vehicle AT200 / ST205.... (if theres a difference between the two please correct me.)
now here's where my mechanical ignorance kicks in, I'm not in anyway a mechanic nor am I experienced in that field and I'm hoping that some of you more experienced mech's can help me make the right decision(s)
I have lucked out and gotten a decent deal on a set of parts as listed

Parts I currently have

3S-GTE (complete motor, CUT wiring harness mad.gif )
Front Mounted Intercooler
Engine mounts
E-153 tranny + LSD (ALready connected to the motor with Clutch, Flywheel etc...)
GT-4 Axles (I Just recently discovered do NOT mount up to the E-153 LSD transmission)
ECU

The things I don't currently have but I do intend on adding before the swap starts

Walboro 400lph fuel pump
Act 6 puck Racing/Street Clutch kit with 300 lb/ft torque sealing
3" Exhaust + Flowmaster Delta 40 mmuffler
GT Shift Cables (I read up and they are needed for this swap to work)
ST205 rear transmission mount bracket
Booste Gauge (Aftermarket)
MR-2/Camry Axle

Now heres where things get confusing for me, I'm not the one who is doing the swap but I am paying a professional mechanic to do it so I want to make sure that he has EVERYTHING needed and that there wont be any SURPRISES!!!
I have been researching a lot over the months and I know people prefer the front clip style swap but I didn't have that available especially not for the deal I got. I know a lot of people will frown upon doing things this way but I do ask for your patience and any and all HELPFUL and encouraging advice some of you who have undergone this may have.
If there are any parts needed that I did not have listed or I CAN'T remove from my stock motor please let me know.

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post Jan 17, 2013 - 11:40 PM
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For one, you need to creat hybrid axles using MR2 inners and GT4 outers.
Secondly, it's only watercooled if you use the top mount, in which case you would need the pump for it. (usually comes with a clip, not just the engine)
If you in fact have a front mount, there are some things you need to change with the wiring.
Thirdly, you need GT4 shifter cables for the E153, not GT cables. (not positive)
Fourthly, you only need a walboro 255lph fuel pump, the 400lph is overkill (unless you plan on making a lot more power).
Fifthly, you'll need st205 front, rear, and transmission mounts, not just the rear.

I think there is more to the wiring than just for the pump, but someone else will probably chime in on that.
If I made any mistakes, someone please correct me.

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post Jan 17, 2013 - 11:53 PM
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QUOTE (mkernz22 @ Jan 17, 2013 - 11:40 PM) *
For one, you need to creat hybrid axles using MR2 inners and GT4 outers.
Secondly, it's only watercooled if you use the top mount, in which case you would need the pump for it. (usually comes with a clip, not just the engine)
If you in fact have a front mount, there are some things you need to change with the wiring.
Thirdly, you need GT4 shifter cables for the E153, not GT cables. (not positive)
Fourthly, you only need a walboro 255lph fuel pump, the 400lph is overkill (unless you plan on making a lot more power).
Fifthly, you'll need st205 front, rear, and transmission mounts, not just the rear.

I think there is more to the wiring than just for the pump, but someone else will probably chime in on that.
If I made any mistakes, someone please correct me.


Good to know!!
for the front mounted intercooler, what extra things do i have to run to make it adapt to my set up and also im not sure if you might know the answer to this but can my stock Radiator still be used with the motor inside? (will it fit)

Posts in this topic
- KADE   USDM 96 Celica ST Engine swap to 3S-GTE Gen3 HELP   Jan 17, 2013 - 11:10 PM
- - mkernz22   For one, you need to creat hybrid axles using MR2 ...   Jan 17, 2013 - 11:40 PM
|- - KADE   QUOTE (mkernz22 @ Jan 17, 2013 - 11...   Jan 17, 2013 - 11:53 PM
- - Smaay   if you have a GT with a 2.2 5S-FE then you do not ...   Jan 18, 2013 - 12:40 PM
|- - KADE   QUOTE (Smaay @ Jan 18, 2013 - 12:40 ...   Jan 18, 2013 - 2:00 PM
- - richee3   Other ways to tell that it's a GT is if it has...   Jan 18, 2013 - 2:16 PM
- - BonzaiCelica   its an at200 chassis   Jan 18, 2013 - 2:28 PM
- - KADE   I took a look at the stock spokes and it is a 5-Bo...   Jan 18, 2013 - 2:47 PM
- - njccmd2002   the 25th anniversary package may give it some GT f...   Jan 18, 2013 - 3:37 PM
- - KADE   That's alright, nothing to be sorry about I...   Jan 18, 2013 - 3:56 PM
- - Smaay   actually you dont. the ST cables are slightly long...   Jan 18, 2013 - 4:15 PM
- - mkernz22   If you get us some pictures of the car we can defi...   Jan 18, 2013 - 6:12 PM
- - KADE   I'll get some pics for you guys as soon as I c...   Jan 18, 2013 - 10:06 PM
- - blackliftback   Sounds like you have an st but insurance is cheati...   Jan 19, 2013 - 5:02 AM
|- - KADE   QUOTE (blackliftback @ Jan 19, 2013 - 6...   Jan 20, 2013 - 7:30 PM
- - richee3   Give this thread a good read. http://www.6gc.net...   Jan 20, 2013 - 10:01 PM
- - KADE   I managed to get the pictures for you guys, so the...   Jan 24, 2013 - 10:12 AM
- - rave2n   7AFE ST model.   Jan 24, 2013 - 11:57 AM
- - CrossCudi   QUOTE (rave2n @ Jan 24, 2013 - 12:57...   Feb 19, 2013 - 2:41 PM
- - CrossCudi   QUOTE (CrossCudi @ Feb 19, 2013 - 3...   Feb 19, 2013 - 2:45 PM
- - Nihil   Though it looks like 7A-FE, the intake manifold an...   Feb 19, 2013 - 3:09 PM
- - TwistedCeli94   Two Things: 1: im almost positive you cannot use ...   Feb 24, 2013 - 4:13 PM


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