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post Aug 9, 2009 - 6:40 PM
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So i was thinking the other day of the difference between the motor's in the 6th gen and 7th gen celica's. The 3sge engine was a very potential motor with 3rd gen producing 177 hp 142 lb torque, 4th gen "Redtop Beams" 197hp 152 lb torque and the 5th gen "Blacktop" found in the Altezza producing 207 hp and 159 lb's torque. I would say those a pretty impressive numbers.

Honda has had their vtec since the nsx first came out in the early 90's and they have been improving ever since. So why did toyota decide to go with a 1zz-ge and 2zz-ge engine for the celica. I mean the displacement went down in .2 liters. The 1.8 ltr 2zz engine came with vvtl-i to compete with honda's vtec? In the US, the celica only produced a 180 hp and in japan it produced 190 hp. Then there was the trd celica which produced 194 hp. Still that wasnt even enough to touch the Integra type r B18c5 motor which produced 195 hp and had around the same torque as the 7th.

So why didnt toyota stick with the 3sge. They could have produced an 2 ltr engine that had around 215 hp with vvt-i on the intake and exhaust manifold just like the 3sge blacktop.


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Posts in this topic
- BonzaiCelica   The engine's in 7th and 6th gen Celica   Aug 9, 2009 - 6:40 PM
- - richee3   I don't know every little detail about the rea...   Aug 9, 2009 - 7:57 PM
- - Galcobar   Cost. The 3SGE was a more powerful, larger, higher...   Aug 10, 2009 - 1:12 AM
|- - Hanyo   QUOTE (Galcobar @ Aug 9, 2009 - 11:1...   Aug 10, 2009 - 1:17 AM
|- - RavenAegis45   QUOTE (Galcobar @ Aug 10, 2009 - 2:1...   Aug 10, 2009 - 8:02 PM
- - SwissFerdi   That's what I like about our cars...the interi...   Aug 10, 2009 - 1:16 AM
- - BonzaiCelica   nice reply's everybody thanks! so if you ...   Aug 10, 2009 - 2:01 AM
|- - Hanyo   QUOTE (BonzaiCelica @ Aug 10, 2009 - 12...   Aug 10, 2009 - 6:25 AM
|- - Smaay   QUOTE (BonzaiCelica @ Aug 10, 2009 - 12...   Aug 11, 2009 - 9:37 AM
- - RavenAegis45   the 7th gen was also more closely related to the c...   Aug 10, 2009 - 3:00 AM
- - trdproven   Toyota these days lean towards economy   Aug 10, 2009 - 3:51 AM
- - nakamura   Emissions was another issue. The 3SG series wasnt ...   Aug 10, 2009 - 4:20 AM
- - 808celica   One of us should go buy out and own toyota slap a...   Aug 10, 2009 - 5:08 AM
- - bdub215   to the op its 1zz-fe (i'd only wish it was a g...   Aug 10, 2009 - 10:52 PM
- - enderswift   slap the engineers? more like the suits that decid...   Aug 10, 2009 - 10:53 PM
- - BonzaiCelica   ya stupid toyota with their boring economic cars ...   Aug 10, 2009 - 11:44 PM
- - trdproven   I did read online the celica gts was built to dest...   Aug 11, 2009 - 12:40 AM
- - Tony-B   I own a beams and my brother owns a JDM EK9 (B16b ...   Aug 11, 2009 - 4:48 AM
- - Tony-B   Putting a 3S-GTE in a 7th gen would make it slower...   Aug 11, 2009 - 9:59 AM
|- - njccmd2002   QUOTE (Tony-B @ Aug 11, 2009 - 10...   Aug 11, 2009 - 11:34 AM
||- - Edophus   i had a 2zz in my corolla before i had a 3s-ge bea...   Aug 11, 2009 - 12:23 PM
|- - Smaay   QUOTE (Tony-B @ Aug 11, 2009 - 7...   Aug 11, 2009 - 7:08 PM
- - BonzaiCelica   very nice reply's everybody this turned out...   Aug 11, 2009 - 2:52 PM
- - BonzaiCelica   uhh 200hp thats a usdm 2nd gen 3sgte. get a 3rd ge...   Aug 11, 2009 - 9:31 PM
- - Tony-B   I was just going to say that!! A 3s-gte c...   Aug 12, 2009 - 4:33 AM
|- - Edophus   i think it would be pretty pointless swapping out...   Aug 12, 2009 - 12:25 PM
|- - richee3   QUOTE (Edophus @ Aug 12, 2009 - 1:25...   Aug 13, 2009 - 3:00 PM
|- - Edophus   QUOTE (richee3 @ Aug 13, 2009 - 4:00...   Aug 13, 2009 - 3:17 PM
- - Smaay   QUOTE but you can probably bolt up the e series bo...   Aug 12, 2009 - 4:44 PM
- - Bitter   lift is pretty fun, but torque all over is much ni...   Aug 12, 2009 - 8:18 PM
- - BonzaiCelica   ok now that what i do not understand! whats th...   Aug 12, 2009 - 9:30 PM
|- - nakamura   QUOTE (BonzaiCelica @ Aug 12, 2009 - 10...   Aug 13, 2009 - 2:59 AM
|- - Edophus   the way i always think about it is to really forge...   Aug 13, 2009 - 9:42 AM
- - Bitter   torque is what moves you, hp is just imaginary. y...   Aug 12, 2009 - 9:39 PM
- - SwissFerdi   Torque is the ability for something to rotate some...   Aug 12, 2009 - 10:32 PM
|- - Bitter   QUOTE (SwissFerdi @ Aug 12, 2009 - 10...   Aug 12, 2009 - 10:47 PM
- - SwissFerdi   QUOTE Torque, also called moment or moment of forc...   Aug 12, 2009 - 10:50 PM
- - azian_advanced   from an engineering perspective, torque is the rot...   Aug 12, 2009 - 11:15 PM
- - SwissFerdi   I thought it was the other way around?   Aug 13, 2009 - 12:26 AM
- - nics   QUOTE (Smaay @ Aug 11, 2009 - 7:37 A...   Aug 13, 2009 - 12:35 PM
|- - Edophus   thought this might be interesting given the discus...   Aug 13, 2009 - 1:41 PM
- - BonzaiCelica   pretty much if i an integra type r vs a ss-III 3sg...   Aug 13, 2009 - 6:35 PM
|- - Hanyo   QUOTE (BonzaiCelica @ Aug 13, 2009 - 4...   Aug 13, 2009 - 6:58 PM
- - Bitter   out of lift the 2zz isnt sooo bad, but below 2500 ...   Aug 13, 2009 - 7:42 PM
|- - Smaay   QUOTE (Bitter @ Aug 13, 2009 - 5:42 ...   Aug 14, 2009 - 9:54 AM
|- - Bitter   QUOTE (Smaay @ Aug 14, 2009 - 9:54 A...   Aug 15, 2009 - 8:57 AM
- - BonzaiCelica   ok i think i got the concept of torque hey edophu...   Aug 13, 2009 - 10:41 PM
|- - Edophus   QUOTE (BonzaiCelica @ Aug 13, 2009 - 11...   Aug 14, 2009 - 3:04 AM
- - Tony-B   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShDyuuYaFCY http:/...   Aug 14, 2009 - 3:51 AM
|- - Edophus   QUOTE (Tony-B @ Aug 14, 2009 - 4...   Aug 14, 2009 - 7:48 AM
- - Smaay   QUOTE BEAMS is too high compression for a turbo. ...   Aug 14, 2009 - 9:50 AM
- - BonzaiCelica   very awesome vids. I've seen those before...   Aug 14, 2009 - 10:50 PM
|- - Edophus   thanks the white integra was my freinds, i also...   Aug 15, 2009 - 8:27 AM
- - Shigexile   how can people just assume the results of the inte...   Aug 16, 2009 - 5:16 PM
|- - Edophus   in a discussion about engines just how relevant is...   Aug 16, 2009 - 5:35 PM
- - BonzaiCelica   uhh ya i totally agree edophus. The integra type r...   Aug 16, 2009 - 8:59 PM
|- - Edophus   QUOTE (BonzaiCelica @ Aug 16, 2009 - 9...   Aug 17, 2009 - 5:05 AM
- - Smaay   well i just looked at my only NA dyno sheet and it...   Aug 17, 2009 - 10:12 AM
- - Shigexile   QUOTE (BonzaiCelica @ Aug 16, 2009 - 8...   Aug 17, 2009 - 12:37 PM
- - mariosdarkworld   Can you swap over the black top beams in to the ce...   Aug 17, 2009 - 1:10 PM
- - BonzaiCelica   id say dont try to make a rwd celica its not worth...   Feb 10, 2010 - 1:40 PM
- - BonzaiCelica   I was looking on specs for the 2zz-ge and its seem...   Mar 30, 2010 - 1:30 AM
|- - Edophus   QUOTE (BonzaiCelica @ Mar 30, 2010 - 6...   Mar 31, 2010 - 7:36 AM
- - BonzaiCelica   hmm yea ok I see, eeh pity to see where toyota had...   Mar 31, 2010 - 11:52 AM
|- - Edophus   QUOTE (BonzaiCelica @ Mar 31, 2010 - 5...   Apr 1, 2010 - 3:26 AM
|- - Smaay   QUOTE (BonzaiCelica @ Mar 31, 2010 - 9...   Aug 19, 2010 - 12:37 PM
- - BonzaiCelica   hmm i see alot of guys swapping in 3S-GE Blacktop ...   Aug 18, 2010 - 8:55 PM
|- - Edophus   QUOTE (BonzaiCelica @ Aug 19, 2010 - 2...   Aug 19, 2010 - 7:45 AM
|- - RavenAegis45   QUOTE (Edophus @ Aug 19, 2010 - 7:45...   Aug 19, 2010 - 4:08 PM
|- - Edophus   QUOTE (RavenAegis45 @ Aug 19, 2010 - 10...   Aug 20, 2010 - 3:16 AM
- - BonzaiCelica   haha yea thats what I was just going to say. well ...   Aug 19, 2010 - 7:34 PM
- - Rusty   blacktop engine with a greytop manifold, since the...   Aug 19, 2010 - 10:08 PM
- - BonzaiCelica   update on your blacktop beams swap into the st182?...   Jun 11, 2011 - 10:51 PM
|- - Edophus   QUOTE (BonzaiCelica @ Jun 12, 2011 - 4...   Jun 17, 2011 - 9:49 AM
- - Rusty   Celica GT nl website & CCUK facts and figures ...   Jun 18, 2011 - 3:40 AM
- - BonzaiCelica   Yes please do put some input that wud be great   Jun 18, 2011 - 5:51 AM


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