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post Sep 24, 2013 - 11:41 PM
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OK, there has been debates left and right about this.
You're a big believer in you're V6, and you should be.
I'm a believer in both.

First, I have respect for a good V6. The 1mz-fe isn't the best IMO, a 3mz-fe is better IMO.
A power of a 1mz-fe comparable to a Beams all day. The power delivery and torque curve is very different, yes but you can never compare a GE head to an FE head.
You have a 1mz/3mz hybrid, that's like saying a hybrid 5s-gte is better than a stock 3sgte.

I have a Beams in my Celica. Bone stock (except an exhaust) with the LSD tranny it came with.
The Beams is great down low and booms after 4K rpms and pulls hard until red line, the advantage of VVT-I with a GE head.

Ease of swap ? Beams in a heartbeat.
The Beams is close to plug and play, you can use a s54 or use the s54 w/lsd with the motor with no custom mounts, no custom anything really.
Reliability ? Beams. Any V6 (1m or 3m) should be rebuilt. You'd be a fool not to, we all know why.
Parts availability ? Both. Beams parts are available in the US. There is virtually no part I couldn't get from another toyota that's used on a Beams.
Power ? 1mz-fe or Beams ? IMO Beams. I have driven the 1m in a Camry, I'm sure it would be more fun in a Celica, until someone proves me wrong the Beams is my answer.
3mz-fe ? all day over a Beams, but cost is much higher.
Cost of swap (1mz-fe) ? Beams is less a landslide. Why ? Well...a 1m motor is cheaper but it gonna need a rebuild - no doubt (always do a compression test first). Most people can't rebuild an engine ($), you should use an e153 with hybrid axles, a custom mount (don't you sell one for around $200 ?), the wiring - for an average person, it's gonna cost them to have someone do it, how about the power steering pump, AC, throttle cable, ect. The Beams is a Celica motor going into a Celica. The only difficult part is wiring, which is piss easy for an average person. There is no custom anything, except maybe a tach adapter or use a stock Beams cluster and no adapter needed.

Overall I would (and did) put a Beams in a Celica over a 1mz-fe.
A 3mz-fe would be better but I don't like the drive by wire set up, problems will arise.
A 2gr would be overkill and would kill our 15-19 year old cars.


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Posts in this topic
- Batman722   Smaay ! V6 vs. Beams   Sep 24, 2013 - 11:41 PM
- - kurt95gt   Can't wait to see what smaay has to say   Sep 24, 2013 - 11:45 PM
- - ILoveMySilly97   Hmmm.....this is going to be interesting. Lol. The...   Sep 24, 2013 - 11:48 PM
|- - kurt95gt   QUOTE (ILoveMySilly97 @ Sep 24, 2013 - 1...   Sep 24, 2013 - 11:51 PM
- - ILoveMySilly97   Lucky! So how'd you like it? Was it what y...   Sep 24, 2013 - 11:52 PM
|- - kurt95gt   QUOTE (ILoveMySilly97 @ Sep 24, 2013 - 1...   Sep 25, 2013 - 12:05 AM
- - bnr32celica   OK, here goes... Power steering pump: I used the ...   Sep 25, 2013 - 12:14 AM
- - kurt95gt   5gc with a v6?? Witch v6 Not a lot of those eithe...   Sep 25, 2013 - 12:19 AM
|- - bnr32celica   QUOTE (kurt95gt @ Sep 25, 2013 - 1:1...   Sep 25, 2013 - 12:23 AM
- - kurt95gt   Yea the 1mz will be faster   Sep 25, 2013 - 12:24 AM
- - Rusty   Slightly off topic but on topic. A former 6GC NZ ...   Sep 25, 2013 - 12:39 AM
|- - kurt95gt   QUOTE (Rusty @ Sep 25, 2013 - 12:39 ...   Sep 25, 2013 - 12:56 AM
- - Box   All things being equal I put my money of the V6. ...   Sep 25, 2013 - 2:33 AM
|- - Smaay   QUOTE (Box @ Sep 25, 2013 - 12:33 AM...   Sep 25, 2013 - 12:37 PM
|- - Box   QUOTE (Smaay @ Sep 25, 2013 - 12:37 ...   Sep 25, 2013 - 3:03 PM
- - ILoveMySilly97   Interesting read so far. Now it's getting me t...   Sep 25, 2013 - 4:00 AM
- - Rusty   The to(FTO?) is fwd not awd btw. Had a read up on...   Sep 25, 2013 - 4:55 AM
|- - RabidTRD   QUOTE (Rusty @ Sep 25, 2013 - 5:55 A...   Sep 25, 2013 - 12:40 PM
- - njccmd2002   RE: Smaay ! V6 vs. Beams   Sep 25, 2013 - 4:59 AM
- - Box   Had a dyslexia moment and thought it said 143 ft l...   Sep 25, 2013 - 5:29 AM
- - presure2   this thread is like the special olympics.   Sep 25, 2013 - 5:38 AM
|- - Box   QUOTE (presure2 @ Sep 25, 2013 - 5:3...   Sep 25, 2013 - 5:56 AM
- - Smaay   Dang i wish i saw this last night. It was getting ...   Sep 25, 2013 - 8:57 AM
- - mi645   I live in Cali and when people keep saying v6 will...   Sep 25, 2013 - 9:41 AM
|- - ILoveMySilly97   QUOTE (mi645 @ Sep 25, 2013 - 7:41 A...   Sep 25, 2013 - 9:50 AM
|- - kurt95gt   QUOTE (mi645 @ Sep 25, 2013 - 10:41 ...   Sep 25, 2013 - 9:53 AM
- - Smaay   QUOTE (ILoveMySilly97 @ Sep 25, 2013 - 7...   Sep 25, 2013 - 11:41 AM
- - ILoveMySilly97   Too add on. I've been researching about BAR in...   Sep 25, 2013 - 12:21 PM
- - ILoveMySilly97   ^So the beams engine. The vvti is not set to switc...   Sep 25, 2013 - 1:02 PM
|- - RabidTRD   QUOTE (ILoveMySilly97 @ Sep 25, 2013 - 2...   Sep 25, 2013 - 4:07 PM
- - mi645   I've seen a bunch of mr2 v6 1mz swapped and we...   Sep 25, 2013 - 1:20 PM
|- - kurt95gt   QUOTE (mi645 @ Sep 25, 2013 - 2:20 P...   Sep 25, 2013 - 1:38 PM
- - mi645   Gosh... I was just saying... Lol what ever   Sep 25, 2013 - 2:26 PM
- - BonzaiCelica   FTO is a 2.0 liter v6 engine thats why SS-III beat...   Sep 25, 2013 - 4:14 PM
|- - kurt95gt   QUOTE (BonzaiCelica @ Sep 25, 2013 - 5...   Sep 25, 2013 - 4:50 PM
- - Batman722   Smaay, you're diluting facts. First, I'm ...   Sep 25, 2013 - 5:13 PM
- - RabidTRD   I'm still going to run a BEAMS when I can affo...   Sep 25, 2013 - 6:02 PM
|- - Box   QUOTE (RabidTRD @ Sep 25, 2013 - 6:0...   Sep 25, 2013 - 8:10 PM
|- - BonzaiCelica   QUOTE (Box @ Sep 25, 2013 - 9:10 PM)...   Sep 26, 2013 - 8:38 PM
|- - Box   QUOTE (BonzaiCelica @ Sep 26, 2013 - 8...   Sep 26, 2013 - 10:42 PM
|- - czwalga   QUOTE (BonzaiCelica @ Sep 26, 2013 - 8...   Sep 27, 2013 - 6:41 AM
- - Smaay   QUOTE (BonzaiCelica @ Sep 25, 2013 - 2...   Sep 25, 2013 - 6:18 PM
- - njccmd2002   IMO the only worth v6 engine to put extra work to ...   Sep 25, 2013 - 6:29 PM
|- - Smaay   QUOTE (njccmd2002 @ Sep 25, 2013 - 4...   Sep 26, 2013 - 8:02 AM
|- - njccmd2002   QUOTE (Smaay @ Sep 26, 2013 - 8:02 A...   Sep 26, 2013 - 1:09 PM
- - njccmd2002   edit; its like swapping a 2nd gen 3sgte today, ...   Sep 25, 2013 - 6:32 PM
- - Box   Not to say I have a problem with 4-cylinders as an...   Sep 26, 2013 - 2:28 AM
- - njccmd2002   are chocobos I4 V6 or V8   Sep 26, 2013 - 3:29 AM
- - Box   Parallel 2.   Sep 26, 2013 - 3:59 AM
- - richee3   I'm not getting involved in an argument in any...   Sep 26, 2013 - 8:30 AM
- - Smaay   ^^^^^ well said sir!   Sep 26, 2013 - 8:47 AM
- - bsamps4   Why don't we let the numbers speak for themsel...   Sep 26, 2013 - 2:34 PM
- - njccmd2002   Numbers? Where we going we dont need numbers...   Sep 26, 2013 - 2:44 PM
- - Box   Except for the 1.21 gigawatts to get there.   Sep 26, 2013 - 2:55 PM
- - bsamps4   Would be nice to have a track time averages page. ...   Sep 26, 2013 - 3:03 PM
- - Box   Did someone say sexy spread sheet?   Sep 26, 2013 - 3:04 PM
- - bsamps4   faawwwwk yea!!!   Sep 26, 2013 - 3:05 PM
- - Box   I need my velvet smoking jacket, I shall return.   Sep 26, 2013 - 3:07 PM
- - njccmd2002   I tought it was a yellow chocobo jacket....   Sep 26, 2013 - 4:08 PM
- - presure2   QUOTE (richee3 @ Sep 26, 2013 - 9:30...   Sep 26, 2013 - 5:08 PM
- - richee3   Forgot to mention- Ted, that header will not fit t...   Sep 26, 2013 - 5:32 PM
- - RabidTRD   That sounds terrible IMO. I really don't like ...   Sep 26, 2013 - 10:17 PM
- - BonzaiCelica   how does that sound terrible it sounds like a race...   Sep 26, 2013 - 10:46 PM
- - Box   Sounds like a bumble bee with gas.   Sep 26, 2013 - 11:48 PM
- - Syaoran   Quick question: Isn't the VVT-i on the BEAMS e...   Sep 27, 2013 - 1:34 AM
- - Box   It varies only the intake timing.   Sep 27, 2013 - 5:52 AM
- - richee3   QUOTE (RabidTRD @ Sep 26, 2013 - 10...   Sep 27, 2013 - 6:13 AM
- - Box   Then you have VVTL-i that varies both the lift and...   Sep 27, 2013 - 6:22 AM
- - richee3   The 2ZZ was still only intake cam enabled.   Sep 27, 2013 - 9:10 AM
|- - Box   QUOTE (richee3 @ Sep 27, 2013 - 9:10...   Sep 30, 2013 - 2:22 PM
- - Smaay   QUOTE (Batman722 @ Sep 24, 2013 - 9...   Sep 30, 2013 - 8:25 AM
- - Batman722   Great, 6GC is back up and priority #1, more drama ...   Sep 30, 2013 - 10:12 AM
|- - Smaay   QUOTE (Batman722 @ Sep 30, 2013 - 8...   Sep 30, 2013 - 11:17 AM
- - bnr32celica   I'm not going to stir the pot at all here. Du...   Sep 30, 2013 - 10:29 AM
- - RabidTRD   I'm just going to leave this here.... https:/...   Sep 30, 2013 - 10:50 AM
- - Smaay   I just pulled this list from the BEAMS owners webs...   Sep 30, 2013 - 11:24 AM
- - kurt95gt   Don't even care about this anymore lol My las...   Sep 30, 2013 - 11:26 AM
- - rdyzz   i'd love to have a 1mz or 2gr in a celica that...   Sep 30, 2013 - 4:30 PM
- - Box   I'd consider a red-top BEAMS, found a few that...   Sep 30, 2013 - 5:05 PM
- - presure2   QUOTE That is what I wanted an that is what I buil...   Sep 30, 2013 - 5:18 PM
|- - kurt95gt   QUOTE (presure2 @ Sep 30, 2013 - 6:1...   Sep 30, 2013 - 6:28 PM
|- - malpaso   QUOTE (presure2 @ Sep 30, 2013 - 6:1...   Oct 1, 2013 - 2:01 AM
|- - blackliftback   QUOTE (presure2 @ Sep 30, 2013 - 6:1...   Oct 1, 2013 - 11:49 AM
|- - bluecelicawife   QUOTE (blackliftback @ Oct 1, 2013 - 12...   Oct 1, 2013 - 12:08 PM
- - bluecelicawife   I'm not jumping in on the debate cause I love ...   Sep 30, 2013 - 7:45 PM
- - Box   The trophy is already in the mail.   Sep 30, 2013 - 9:12 PM
|- - kurt95gt   QUOTE (Box @ Sep 30, 2013 - 9:12 PM)...   Sep 30, 2013 - 10:34 PM
- - kurt95gt   Well fuel cut is at 6200 lol My first gear lives ...   Oct 1, 2013 - 12:13 PM
- - Smaay   something i want to make real clear here. This is ...   Oct 1, 2013 - 12:55 PM
- - kurt95gt   Love the last one Any car meme that uses that lil...   Oct 1, 2013 - 1:08 PM
- - Smaay   oops i got typos, oh well Ill take this one do...   Oct 1, 2013 - 1:13 PM
- - Batman722   QUOTE (Smaay @ Oct 1, 2013 - 1:55 PM...   Oct 1, 2013 - 1:36 PM
- - storm26   Please don't hate me, but I'm searching fo...   Oct 1, 2013 - 2:02 PM
- - richee3   All you need for a BEAMS is the motor, harness, an...   Oct 1, 2013 - 2:26 PM
- - Smaay   I will concur, the BEAMS is an easier swap. QU...   Oct 1, 2013 - 2:38 PM
- - BonzaiCelica   power for beams is at 7k rpm max power for 1mzfe?...   Oct 1, 2013 - 4:00 PM
|- - Box   QUOTE (BonzaiCelica @ Oct 1, 2013 - 4...   Oct 1, 2013 - 4:39 PM
|- - kurt95gt   QUOTE (Box @ Oct 1, 2013 - 4:39 PM) ...   Oct 1, 2013 - 4:46 PM
|- - Box   QUOTE (kurt95gt @ Oct 1, 2013 - 4:46...   Oct 1, 2013 - 4:55 PM
- - Box   According to factory flywheel numbers the BEAMS gi...   Oct 1, 2013 - 4:34 PM
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