Upgrading engine internals for my 7afe, Pistons, rods, cams , ect Options

[finalate]

So I was talking to this mechanic about really sooping up my engine itself. I was talking about stronger internal components, also boaring my block as well. The whole 9 yards. Now I know there are very few aftermarket parts for the 7afe, and virtually no upgraded engine internal parts. Soooo, I thought about switching out some performance parts w the corrolla . I know the corrolla has a 7afe. I also know they have a legendary 86 model, (ae86). Does anyone know of any switchable parts that I could use. Maybe find some lighter weight flywheel in corrolla trani. I Havnt looked Into corrolla parts so if anyone knows any I could use please tell me.

If all else fails w the corrolla parts . I plan on forging my bottom end , but don't know who could do that for me . I know the 7a rods are really weak and I actually got thus idea reading a post on a dif Celi site . I also know you need to change your stock ecu when you change major engine components like pistons or cams. The compression rate will fur sure b dif. I read some posts on here and was thinking of buying this ecu called squirt I think it was . If anyone knows a good am ecu, hmu.

[onnaj]

7a rod isn't very weak, it just doesn't like the higher rpm range. Put in some 4agze pistons (20mm pin) while you there and i have been told that that should raise compression to about 11:1, correct me if wrong!

You can also use a 4age head (from the corolla). It fits to your 7afe bottom. But you need everything else from the corolla. Like ecu at least, wiring, exhaust manifold, etc etc and a renault or porsche timing belt.

[Special_Edy]

The biggest problem with the 7A-FE and 5S-FE is the cylinder head.
Probably everyone who comments on this thread will suggest for you to swap in a 3S-GTE or a 1MZ-FE.
You would probably have to spend thousands upon thousands to make a 7A-FE reliably see the kind of figures that come out of a stock 1MZ or 3SGTE, short of strapping a massive turbo and shot of nitrous on it. And it will never have to torque.
You can buy a totalled ES-300, Camry, Sienna(yes the minivan) Avalon or Solara for $500-$1000, take the engine, harness and ecu out and sell the shell to a scrap yard for $200(they even tow it away, but you could probably part it out for more $$$s)
Invest another $500-$1500 on some small parts here and there, the motormounts, a 5 speed transmission, exhaust, shifter cables and what not and you are on the road with a 3L V6 making over 200 HP with monstrous torque.
You can buy a 3SGTE swap kit for around $2,000. once again you will need a transmission from a GT or an E153 from a solora or camry, but for maybe 3 grand you could be driving down the road making ~250hp with a totally reliable, stock 6GC engine.


Anyways, yes you can invest the money and hotrod your 7afe, but all it is ever going to do is disappoint you. Those of us that have the bigger 2.2L 5SFE in the GT dont even bother souping up the 5sfe, its absolutely a waste of money to invest in it and expect any kind of reasonable returns. The best bang for your buck is going to be the awesome 1MZ-FE, followed by the amazing 3S-GTE. If you wanted to do something original you could even swap in a 3.5L 2GR-FE, its in the 2006 and newer toyota's and Lotus's, plus it should bolt in similar to the 1mz, 3sgte and 5sfe. So for about the price of a 3S-GTE you could have a 3.5L Lotus V6 engine, got you thinking yet?
Check out the Stickies, also Smaay and Kurt95GT among others have detailed their 1MZ swaps in the My Projects section of the forums. Definately an easy place to waste a few hours of your time reading.

This post has been edited by Special_Edy: Jan 20, 2013 - 11:14 AM

[finalate]

The biggest problem with the 7A-FE and 5S-FE is the cylinder head.
Probably everyone who comments on this thread will suggest for you to swap in a 3S-GTE or a 1MZ-FE.
You would probably have to spend thousands upon thousands to make a 7A-FE reliably see the kind of figures that come out of a stock 1MZ or 3SGTE, short of strapping a massive turbo and shot of nitrous on it. And it will never have to torque.
You can buy a totalled ES-300, Camry, Sienna(yes the minivan) Avalon or Solara for $500-$1000, take the engine, harness and ecu out and sell the shell to a scrap yard for $200(they even tow it away, but you could probably part it out for more $$$s)
Invest another $500-$1500 on some small parts here and there, the motormounts, a 5 speed transmission, exhaust, shifter cables and what not and you are on the road with a 3L V6 making over 200 HP with monstrous torque.
You can buy a 3SGTE swap kit for around $2,000. once again you will need a transmission from a GT or an E153 from a solora or camry, but for maybe 3 grand you could be driving down the road making ~250hp with a totally reliable, stock 6GC engine.


Anyways, yes you can invest the money and hotrod your 7afe, but all it is ever going to do is disappoint you. Those of us that have the bigger 2.2L 5SFE in the GT dont even bother souping up the 5sfe, its absolutely a waste of money to invest in it and expect any kind of reasonable returns. The best bang for your buck is going to be the awesome 1MZ-FE, followed by the amazing 3S-GTE. If you wanted to do something original you could even swap in a 3.5L 2GR-FE, its in the 2006 and newer toyota's and Lotus's, plus it should bolt in similar to the 1mz, 3sgte and 5sfe. So for about the price of a 3S-GTE you could have a 3.5L Lotus V6 engine, got you thinking yet?
Check out the Stickies, also Smaay and Kurt95GT among others have detailed their 1MZ swaps in the My Projects section of the forums. Definately an easy place to waste a few hours of your time reading.

Here's what I don't get man . How can a 5s, 2.2L make 135 hp, but a 2.0L 3sgte can make 250hp stock . Ofcourse the twin turbos and I think it has duel cams, but doesn't 5s too? I feel like for the size of the motor, it has way more potential . Has anyone done a hybrid 5s/3s? I feel like if you boat out that 2.2 to 2.4 fit that bitch w a aftermarket ecu and a turbo, your off !!!

[finalate]

The biggest problem with the 7A-FE and 5S-FE is the cylinder head.
Probably everyone who comments on this thread will suggest for you to swap in a 3S-GTE or a 1MZ-FE.
You would probably have to spend thousands upon thousands to make a 7A-FE reliably see the kind of figures that come out of a stock 1MZ or 3SGTE, short of strapping a massive turbo and shot of nitrous on it. And it will never have to torque.
You can buy a totalled ES-300, Camry, Sienna(yes the minivan) Avalon or Solara for $500-$1000, take the engine, harness and ecu out and sell the shell to a scrap yard for $200(they even tow it away, but you could probably part it out for more $$$s)
Invest another $500-$1500 on some small parts here and there, the motormounts, a 5 speed transmission, exhaust, shifter cables and what not and you are on the road with a 3L V6 making over 200 HP with monstrous torque.
You can buy a 3SGTE swap kit for around $2,000. once again you will need a transmission from a GT or an E153 from a solora or camry, but for maybe 3 grand you could be driving down the road making ~250hp with a totally reliable, stock 6GC engine.


Anyways, yes you can invest the money and hotrod your 7afe, but all it is ever going to do is disappoint you. Those of us that have the bigger 2.2L 5SFE in the GT dont even bother souping up the 5sfe, its absolutely a waste of money to invest in it and expect any kind of reasonable returns. The best bang for your buck is going to be the awesome 1MZ-FE, followed by the amazing 3S-GTE. If you wanted to do something original you could even swap in a 3.5L 2GR-FE, its in the 2006 and newer toyota's and Lotus's, plus it should bolt in similar to the 1mz, 3sgte and 5sfe. So for about the price of a 3S-GTE you could have a 3.5L Lotus V6 engine, got you thinking yet?
Check out the Stickies, also Smaay and Kurt95GT among others have detailed their 1MZ swaps in the My Projects section of the forums. Definately an easy place to waste a few hours of your time reading.

I've actually found a ****load of aftermarket parts for the 5s. What is it that makes the 5s ****? I actually beat stock 5s on the freeway, before my headers and thick ass ignition wires .

[travisxcore]

Firstly 3sgte has a single turbo, not twin setup. That aside the 5sfe might be 2.2L but its built for economy, not HP. The head on the GT is the biggest thing it has going against it, its not made to flood in massive amounts of air and fuel into it. Don't let a cars displacement fool you, there's many other factors involved.

Buy a 97+ 5sfe and slap everything but the bottom end of the 3sgte in it. A 5sgte is one bad motor. Not worth the time as a straight swap for most, but its incredible.

Don't waste your time with the 7a is your looking for power, not mpg.

[finalate]

Firstly 3sgte has a single turbo, not twin setup. That aside the 5sfe might be 2.2L but its built for economy, not HP. The head on the GT is the biggest thing it has going against it, its not made to flood in massive amounts of air and fuel into it. Don't let a cars displacement fool you, there's many other factors involved.

Buy a 97+ 5sfe and slap everything but the bottom end of the 3sgte in it. A 5sgte is one bad motor. Not worth the time as a straight swap for most, but its incredible.

Don't waste your time with the 7a is your looking for power, not mpg.

Thanks man . I think I'll just put the 7a project to the side . But I have to ask, idk if it was stock or not but I was reading about this duel cam 7afe that came w a turbo in Europe . Do you know of?

[onnaj]

I live in Europa but i'm not aware of any OEM turbo 7afe models.

[finalate]

I live in Europa but i'm not aware of any OEM turbo 7afe models.

This was a while ago when i saw this thread on Another Celi site. But I'm sure what I saw , that's why I was trippin out . Maybe it was a pro tuned Celi .

[onnaj]

I live in Europa but i'm not aware of any OEM turbo 7afe models.

This was a while ago when i saw this thread on Another Celi site. But I'm sure what I saw , that's why I was trippin out . Maybe it was a pro tuned Celi .

Damn i see that you're right. There has been a Corolla the Turbo Sportivo which had an 7AFTE! Never knew this. Look here

[finalate]

I live in Europa but i'm not aware of any OEM turbo 7afe models.

This was a while ago when i saw this thread on Another Celi site. But I'm sure what I saw , that's why I was trippin out . Maybe it was a pro tuned Celi .

Damn i see that you're right. There has been a Corolla the Turbo Sportivo which had an 7AFTE! Never knew this. Look here

Thank you so much for finding this buddy !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Now I can still have passion for my torquy 7afe!! Once I get that 7afte dropped In my bay, ill be a whole new man .

[Smaay]

where in CA are you? I designed a turbo kit for the 7A but it never got finished. also with a 3S-GTE swap you will never pass SMOG. a 1MZ will pass smog and be a legal swap in CA

[finalate]

where in CA are you? I designed a turbo kit for the 7A but it never got finished. also with a 3S-GTE swap you will never pass SMOG. a 1MZ will pass smog and be a legal swap in CA

1mz is a Lexus yea? Sick motor don't get me wrong , I just want I keep only celica engines in my bay . I'd prob do the 3s-gte if I ever swapped again . I'm already on my second 7a. First one rods broke . Do you forge your rods on that 7afte? I heard that you should def do that if turbo a 7afe. I'm in so cal, in the IE. where u at?

[Smaay]

im in the high desert. Palmdale Lancaster area.

no you dont need forged rods.

the 1MZ came in Camry, Solara, Sienna, RX300, SC300, and a few others. you know you want this in your engine bay.

[trdproven]

^ Nice, hows the power compared to a 3sgte or 3sge?

This post has been edited by trdproven: Jan 24, 2013 - 3:31 PM

[CAcelica29]

smayy, the sc300 is powered by a 2jzge not a v-6.

[Special_Edy]

smayy, the sc300 is powered by a 2jzge not a v-6.

Im almost certain he meant the ES-300.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPqxWmtxsJw...be_gdata_player
Here is a video of a souped up 3S-GTE MR2 Turbo vs a supercharged 1MZ V6 swapped MR2

This post has been edited by Special_Edy: Jan 25, 2013 - 10:12 AM

[Ted95]

the 7a and the 5s are both economy motors, like previously said there heads just arent made for real hp gains. you would think the 5s being a 2.2l would make some power with bolt ons and such but its not made that way, its not like a honda h22 or b18 lol..

i have the 3sgte and it is ballssss man, thing hauls asss but if i had to do it over again id seriously consider the 1mz or 3mz vvti as its a cheaper swap compared to the 3sgte and has great torque and power, put that in a lighter car like the celica compared to 4door family car your going to have a fun ride and will prob be cheaper and def make more power then a 7afte build. just IMO.

[Dutch951]

im in the high desert. Palmdale Lancaster area.

no you dont need forged rods.

the 1MZ came in Camry, Solara, Sienna, RX300, SC300, and a few others. you know you want this in your engine bay.

I really need to look into this! LOL! I thought my Celica was fun to drive with the 7afe... But I bet this is amazing!

[finalate]

im in the high desert. Palmdale Lancaster area.

no you dont need forged rods.

the 1MZ came in Camry, Solara, Sienna, RX300, SC300, and a few others. you know you want this in your engine bay.

O ok not too far from Redlands . I'm in the inland empire, San Bernardino county. I could really use some help getting my celica to run again . She has no spark. But yea that v6 swap looks crazy. If I have another celica, ill def do that swap .