Engine swap questions. Options

[purplegt4]

OK this is just getting sad
For starters I'm no fanboy.
I've said what I've had to say about the v6 swap an its just as good of a swap as a 3s if your not worried about only power.

Pressure2: I had a lot of respect for you,your celicas, an what you have brought to this site. But I have lost a lot of respect for you after reading what basically been trash talking from you to box an anyone that has v6 in there post
Say what you want but the 2mz in a celica is one hell of a motor
Mine isn't even at 100% yet an I take out b swap Hondas like there a d series still.
Saying you know how a v6 will be in a celica because you drove a v6 camry is like saying oh I know what a v8 mustsng will feel Cruz I drove a crown Vic
Just because you know a few power numbers for a motor doesn't mean you know crap about how it will run in a car you've never seen it in before
Oh an I'd be willing to be mine or smaays v6 could spank that 300+ HP 3s of your wife on some good twistie roads cuz we haven't thrown off the balance of our celicas with all the extra weight the 3s adds. Powers not everything man....you'd think after owning a celica for 13years you would know that by now


Rant over

I'd be willing to race a v6 celica on a 'twistie' track.

[1994Celica]

Put a v8 in it and become a real man.

Turbo ls1 Celica? I like the sound of that.

[1994Celica]

I really like the beams engine but like the 3sgte it scares me with parts availability.

Parts are not hard to acquire.

The common failure parts are available locally or quick order from a local store.

For example, spark wires, cap and rotor. Can all be acquired at Autozone, or advance. They'll order it, and have it to you in 3 days. Just have to find the compatible Gen2 parts that were used in the MR2.

The odd items for full maint. such as oil pump, water pump, gaskets, and other odd tidbits can be acquired by a few dealers in the US, or by a bunch of parts dealers in the UK.

Hmm if that's the case then I might want to go with the beams.

[czwalga]

I really like the beams engine but like the 3sgte it scares me with parts availability.

Parts are not hard to acquire.

The common failure parts are available locally or quick order from a local store.

For example, spark wires, cap and rotor. Can all be acquired at Autozone, or advance. They'll order it, and have it to you in 3 days. Just have to find the compatible Gen2 parts that were used in the MR2.

The odd items for full maint. such as oil pump, water pump, gaskets, and other odd tidbits can be acquired by a few dealers in the US, or by a bunch of parts dealers in the UK.

Hmm if that's the case then I might want to go with the beams.

Why beams? Probably the hardest engine to acquire parts for. A lot easier to find parts for a 3sgte.

[1994Celica]

I really like the beams engine but like the 3sgte it scares me with parts availability.

Parts are not hard to acquire.

The common failure parts are available locally or quick order from a local store.

For example, spark wires, cap and rotor. Can all be acquired at Autozone, or advance. They'll order it, and have it to you in 3 days. Just have to find the compatible Gen2 parts that were used in the MR2.

The odd items for full maint. such as oil pump, water pump, gaskets, and other odd tidbits can be acquired by a few dealers in the US, or by a bunch of parts dealers in the UK.

Hmm if that's the case then I might want to go with the beams.

Why beams? Probably the hardest engine to acquire parts for. A lot easier to find parts for a 3sgte.

I just like the engine. The output is good but not too much. There's no turbo to worry about. I'm stuck between the beams and the 1mz.

[mkernz22]

I'm going with the 1mz because I got it for free.....well actually it was a payment for swapping my buddy's camry to a standard since the '96's never came in standard.
and I got the auto transmission so I can pull the solenoids out of it as well.....and a bunch of wiring, actually all the wiring. Anyway, back on topic. I've been open to swapping in any of the engines. I've ridden in Dustin's 3s before he parted it, I drove his beams (which vvti was super addicting lol) and I've driven my buddies V6 camry before and after I finished his swap.

Let me tell you guys, it is a HUGE difference between driving a camry that has an auto trans compared to a manual. This is the same car, just before and after I swapped it. It was a big noticeable difference too. And it was the e153 out of a 1997 camry that was swapped in, but I'm going to guess it will seem a hellofalot faster in a celica with the s54.

[1994Celica]

I'm going with the 1mz because I got it for free.....well actually it was a payment for swapping my buddy's camry to a standard since the '96's never came in standard.
and I got the auto transmission so I can pull the solenoids out of it as well.....and a bunch of wiring, actually all the wiring. Anyway, back on topic. I've been open to swapping in any of the engines. I've ridden in Dustin's 3s before he parted it, I drove his beams (which vvti was super addicting lol) and I've driven my buddies V6 camry before and after I finished his swap.

Let me tell you guys, it is a HUGE difference between driving a camry that has an auto trans compared to a manual. This is the same car, just before and after I swapped it. It was a big noticeable difference too. And it was the e153 out of a 1997 camry that was swapped in, but I'm going to guess it will seem a hellofalot faster in a celica with the s54.

The v6 swap really sounds appealing. It's reliable, produces a good amount of hp and has better parts availability. The fact that it hasn't been done as much makes me nervous since there's less info on it. The beams swap sounds like it would be much easier since it was in celicas but like the 3sgte the parts scare me. I need to decide between having an easier swap but harder to find parts or a harder to do swap with greater parts avliableity.

[richee3]

Trust me, parts for the BEAMS aren't bad. Granted, you can't walk into Autozone and get a timing belt, but any time anyone claims "you can't get parts here, parts are impossible to find" they're basing that off of a post someone else made, which was based on another post, then another post, etc. with no actual research. The downfall of the BEAMS is the cost, which is more than a V6 swap, and the fact that you're stuck with only 200 hp. The plus side is its just as reliable as a 5S, very fun to drive, and is as drop-in as a swap comes.

There are smarter choices to swap, but the BEAMS is an easy swap with decent power.

[1994Celica]

Trust me, parts for the BEAMS aren't bad. Granted, you can't walk into Autozone and get a timing belt, but any time anyone claims "you can't get parts here, parts are impossible to find" they're basing that off of a post someone else made, which was based on another post, then another post, etc. with no actual research. The downfall of the BEAMS is the cost, which is more than a V6 swap, and the fact that you're stuck with only 200 hp. The plus side is its just as reliable as a 5S, very fun to drive, and is as drop-in as a swap comes.

There are smarter choices to swap, but the BEAMS is an easy swap with decent power.

200 should be pretty good though. I guess I need to research more into each engine and decide which I like best.

[richee3]

200 is great for a Celica. The problem is that it comes at like 7,000 rpm. That's great if your driving style allows for very high revving all the time. Personally, I want my power at a more reasonable, usable rpm so I'm yanking my BEAMS out in lieu of a 3S-GTE. All three engines are great choices, each has its pros and cons. It all comes down to budget, driving style, and personal preference.

[czwalga]

200 is great for a Celica. The problem is that it comes at like 7,000 rpm. That's great if your driving style allows for very high revving all the time. Personally, I want my power at a more reasonable, usable rpm so I'm yanking my BEAMS out in lieu of a 3S-GTE. All three engines are great choices, each has its pros and cons. It all comes down to budget, driving style, and personal preference.

You going to sell your beams? For the right price I may be interested in upgrading over just the regular 3sge.

[1994Celica]

What about turboing the 5s? Could I get 200hp out of it?

[travisxcore]

If youre extremely careful and you do it right the first time you sure can. From what I've seen the 5sfte can be very unforgiving if corners are cut, but other then that its a solid build and its numbers are awesome.

I believe this thread will help you see whats involved.

Honestly though, if youre thinking 5sfte, I'd suggest maybe the 5sgte, best of both worlds.