Smaay ! V6 vs. Beams, Let's do this ! Options

[Batman722]

OK, there has been debates left and right about this.
You're a big believer in you're V6, and you should be.
I'm a believer in both.

First, I have respect for a good V6. The 1mz-fe isn't the best IMO, a 3mz-fe is better IMO.
A power of a 1mz-fe comparable to a Beams all day. The power delivery and torque curve is very different, yes but you can never compare a GE head to an FE head.
You have a 1mz/3mz hybrid, that's like saying a hybrid 5s-gte is better than a stock 3sgte.

I have a Beams in my Celica. Bone stock (except an exhaust) with the LSD tranny it came with.
The Beams is great down low and booms after 4K rpms and pulls hard until red line, the advantage of VVT-I with a GE head.

Ease of swap ? Beams in a heartbeat.
The Beams is close to plug and play, you can use a s54 or use the s54 w/lsd with the motor with no custom mounts, no custom anything really.
Reliability ? Beams. Any V6 (1m or 3m) should be rebuilt. You'd be a fool not to, we all know why.
Parts availability ? Both. Beams parts are available in the US. There is virtually no part I couldn't get from another toyota that's used on a Beams.
Power ? 1mz-fe or Beams ? IMO Beams. I have driven the 1m in a Camry, I'm sure it would be more fun in a Celica, until someone proves me wrong the Beams is my answer.
3mz-fe ? all day over a Beams, but cost is much higher.
Cost of swap (1mz-fe) ? Beams is less a landslide. Why ? Well...a 1m motor is cheaper but it gonna need a rebuild - no doubt (always do a compression test first). Most people can't rebuild an engine ($), you should use an e153 with hybrid axles, a custom mount (don't you sell one for around $200 ?), the wiring - for an average person, it's gonna cost them to have someone do it, how about the power steering pump, AC, throttle cable, ect. The Beams is a Celica motor going into a Celica. The only difficult part is wiring, which is piss easy for an average person. There is no custom anything, except maybe a tach adapter or use a stock Beams cluster and no adapter needed.

Overall I would (and did) put a Beams in a Celica over a 1mz-fe.
A 3mz-fe would be better but I don't like the drive by wire set up, problems will arise.
A 2gr would be overkill and would kill our 15-19 year old cars.

[kurt95gt]

That is what I wanted an that is what I built.
I built it to be different an it worked.
If it catches on an more being do it cool. If not...cool.
I did it for me. I realize that now.

best post in this dumbass thread.

comparing a v6 that makes 95% of its power below 5k rpm, and a I4 that makes 90% of its power above 4500rpm is really stupid, imo.
it really is all about how the individual wants the car to feel, and drive.
the best way to find out which setup is for you is to seek out someone who has whatever setup your interested in, and drive it, or at least ride in it.

if 5-600$ diffrence between one setup or the other is the determining factor on a swap, you shouldnt be swapping, period.

if your doing a swap because someone told you one setup is better than another, you should be swapping, period.

Yea I'm the smartest dumbass lol

[bluecelicawife]

I'm not jumping in on the debate cause I love my husband and I am proud of the work we have done on the v6 and at some point I would love for my 7a to be a beams. But the biggest kick I've gotten in a while is to know he's the smartest dumbass....lol

[Box]

The trophy is already in the mail.

[kurt95gt]

The trophy is already in the mail.

Sweet!!

[malpaso]

...a v6 that makes 95% of its power below 5k rpm...

Aaaaah. I want V6! (or diesel )

it really is all about how the individual wants the car to feel, and drive

Manny ... Lets carve this quote to the stone for next generations. That is exactly why not much people get why I do with car things I do . Why I paid for custom build turbine, why it rented dyno for whole day to have map that meets my expectation...

[blackliftback]

...a v6 that makes 95% of its power below 5k rpm...

Obviously... Because it does redline at 5k lol jk

[bluecelicawife]

...a v6 that makes 95% of its power below 5k rpm...

Obviously... Because it does redline at 5k lol jk

Kurt says nope 6200

[kurt95gt]

Well fuel cut is at 6200 lol
My first gear lives near there most days lol

[Smaay]

something i want to make real clear here. This is a friendly debate over a choice in engines. I am not attacking anyone personally or tried to, nor have i taken any difference of opinion personally. Sure disagreements can get heated, but i want everyone to know, nothing is personal. With that said, time for some funnies.

I challenge anyone to make better ones.












This post has been edited by Smaay: Oct 1, 2013 - 12:55 PM

[kurt95gt]

Love the last one
Any car meme that uses that lil boys pic is instantly funny lol

[Smaay]

oops i got typos, oh well




Ill take this one down if it offends anyone, I had to drop an FBomb in there somewhere



This post has been edited by Smaay: Oct 1, 2013 - 1:14 PM

[Batman722]

something i want to make real clear here. This is a friendly debate over a choice in engines. I am not attacking anyone personally or tried to, nor have i taken any difference of opinion personally. Sure disagreements can get heated, but i want everyone to know, nothing is personal. With that said, time for some funnies.

I challenge anyone to make better ones.

oops i got typos, oh well




Ill take this one down if it offends anyone, I had to drop an FBomb in there somewhere

They are funny.
I'm secure enough in my Beamshood to not let this bother me because I know the truth.

I'm not going to play with your little challenge, I'm not a douche bag. I don't feel I need a funny meme to prove a point, I just use facts.
Nothing personal.

[storm26]

Please don't hate me, but I'm searching for a Beams swap for a while and can't find any decent with axles or even a whole front cut I'm sorry to junk this thread with that, but search button wasn't my friend, nor was the ebay and I'm searching that because my engine is slowly increasing the amount of oil consumption. Any websites or anything welcome!

So yes, also my vote goes for Beams, since living in Europe I was able to drive 3S Celicas and I love the 7k or more redlining but I can't say anything against V6 since I don't know how they perform in our cars and you always have to at least respect the amount of labor, love, enthusiasm and ofcoure money was put in something like swapping totally different engine especially doing it first without any info behind. And looking Smaays video, that V6 is a BEAST in the car

Cheers

EDIT: I forgot to mention, my car is AT, not ST chassis

This post has been edited by storm26: Oct 1, 2013 - 3:01 PM

[richee3]

All you need for a BEAMS is the motor, harness, and ECU. It uses the same trans as a GT so it will use the same axles. Huge bonuses for a BEAMS set are the OEM intake a B pipe, though neither is 100% necessary.

/ thread jack.

This post has been edited by richee3: Oct 1, 2013 - 2:26 PM

[Smaay]

I will concur, the BEAMS is an easier swap.

I'm not going to play with your little challenge, I'm not a douche bag. I don't feel I need a funny meme to prove a point, I just use facts.
Nothing personal.

No comment

This post has been edited by Smaay: Oct 1, 2013 - 2:39 PM

[BonzaiCelica]

power for beams is at 7k rpm

max power for 1mzfe??

[Box]

According to factory flywheel numbers the BEAMS gives a gain of 62 hp over the 5S, so where did 40 come from? I'm all up for the V6, as by now if you don't know that I love torque you've been living under a rock. Though after looking on eBay I don't see how the BEAMS can cost that terribly much more at this point. I've seen a lot of them now for $1,400 or less and that's including the engine, LSD transmission, harness, and ECU. Some even include the MAF sensor as well. From looking at recent V6 swaps the only way I can see getting it done for the same amount of money would be to find a Camry/Solara donor for about $500. Then still need the custom mount, harness, and half-shafts and few other niggles here and there. It'd be great if the V6 could be brought to the plug and play level the BEAMS has.

[Box]

power for beams is at 7k rpm

max power for 1mzfe??

The Solara had 200 hp at 5,200 RPM and 214 ft lb at 4,400 RPM. If you find the rare TRD supercharged one hp and torque go to 242. The 1MZ in the Lexus ES made a little more than the Solara, but it required premium.

[kurt95gt]

power for beams is at 7k rpm

max power for 1mzfe??

The Solara had 200 hp at 5,200 RPM and 214 ft lb at 4,400 RPM. If you find the rare TRD supercharged one hp and torque go to 242. The 1MZ in the Lexus ES made a little more than the Solara, but it required premium.

I need to check my ecu again
I might be running the wrong gas lol

power for beams is at 7k rpm

max power for 1mzfe??

Here's an idea
You an smaay live in the same state why don't you guys meet up at a track an see who's faster

[Box]

power for beams is at 7k rpm

max power for 1mzfe??

Here's an idea
You an smaay live in the same state why don't you guys meet up at a track an see who's faster

Why didn't anyone think of this ages ago?