Teh Official "Dude Where's My Forum?" Thread, Brought to you by the minds of Box, and her fiancée, Lorelei Options

[Bitter]

Probably, but don't count out the RSX, it's got more aftermarket support and that K series engine takes to mods very well and has tons of aftermarket, way more than the Celica and 2ZZ.

[Box]

Purely off aesthetics and what I can physically see I like the Celica more. Plus it seems easier to find a nice unmodified GT-S than a nice unmodified Type-S, and the Celica is notably less expensive for whatever reason. I like the '98-01 GS-R over the Type-S as well, again from an aesthetics standpoint. Would just need all three lined up to drive right behind each other, would make it easier to decide.

[Box]

It's bad when the Celica is made to look completely gutless by Hondas: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpQ4KhUY814

I shake my head.

[1994Celica]

^Exactly, it's part of why I stopped going to shows. Usually it's the same 75% every time and most everything is run of the mill and you've seen it a hundred times

Well I'm strange. I remember at one event there was a 599 and a F430 and I couldn't care less but a Galant VR4 pulled up and focked to it.

Anyway Box who cares if it looks gutless? Just go with whichever you like better.

[Bitter]

It's bad when the Celica is made to look completely gutless by Hondas: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpQ4KhUY814

I shake my head.

I see the Celica's hanging with or handing ass to the Honda's in the tighter more technical portions of the track, the Honda's broader power band giving it an advantage in the wider open areas of the track. I wasn't clear which Celica was which, one was a GT and one a GTS, but in Japan and other places they used a different designation.

[Box]

^Exactly, it's part of why I stopped going to shows. Usually it's the same 75% every time and most everything is run of the mill and you've seen it a hundred times

Well I'm strange. I remember at one event there was a 599 and a F430 and I couldn't care less but a Galant VR4 pulled up and focked to it.

Anyway Box who cares if it looks gutless? Just go with whichever you like better.

The only time I was ever just totally infatuated with a car at a show was when there was a 964 Turbo, everything else was the usual stuff.

Because hill climbs are life. Honestly it's really close between the Integra, Celica, and RSX. They all have certain things I like more or dislike more each.

This post has been edited by Box: Aug 6, 2017 - 12:33 PM

[Box]

It's bad when the Celica is made to look completely gutless by Hondas: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpQ4KhUY814

I shake my head.

I see the Celica's hanging with or handing ass to the Honda's in the tighter more technical portions of the track, the Honda's broader power band giving it an advantage in the wider open areas of the track. I wasn't clear which Celica was which, one was a GT and one a GTS, but in Japan and other places they used a different designation.

Yeah the handling was impressive since the Celica was a lot softer than the Type-R from the factory, just kind of crazy how the Hondas just blew by them like they were standing still given the on paper similarities in power. Ahhhhh ok. Both Celicas are a GT-S equivalent being a SS-II, but the silver one has the Super Strut suspension.

This post has been edited by Box: Aug 6, 2017 - 12:59 PM

[Bitter]

Ah ok, The superstrut isn't much better than the standard suspension in actual practice, tires make more of a difference.

[Box]

Because pros and cons lists help everything:

Pros of Firebird:
V8
POWER EVERYWHERE
Gains speed up hills when churning 1,200 rpm and the A/C on
Magical V8 sounds from the intake and exhaust
Granny shift out at 2,500 rpm and still get up to speed quickly
Phenomenal efficiency/power ratio; 300 hp and 30 mpg highway with A/C never going off
Comfortable and useful
RWD
LSD

Cons of Firebird:
Rear suspension from a truck
Aftermarket suspension is kinda expensive
Kinda big and ungainly feeling
Can't see a damn thing that's in front of you
People want to know why I haven't swapped in a LS yet, or didn't buy a LS to begin with

And since the Integra, Celica, and RSX mostly represent the same things they'll be henceforth collectively referred to as RIC.

Pros of RIC:
Good and affordable aftermarket suspension support(though the Celica lags behind somewhat)
Comfortable? and useful
Small and light; with the Celica being lightest and the RSX being the heaviest but still sorta light
Rear suspension not from a truck
Quickest cars for their class for the time
Best handling cars for their time

Cons of RIC:
Meh power/efficiency ratio
Where's the torque?
FWD
Open differential
Have to rev to the moon to go down the street
Sounds like angry bees
Somehow I bet A/C use has a notable impact on performance

Ah ok, The superstrut isn't much better than the standard suspension in actual practice, tires make more of a difference.

Indeed. I'd like to see a redo of that race but with a TRD Celica Sports M in there instead, I think it'd put up a better showing.

[Bitter]

On my GTS the AC cuts out over a certain amount of throttle, I don't really notice it too much driving on the highway, a little around town. Not nearly as bad as my Mazda or old 7A-FE powered Clonerolla. The AC blows ice cold pretty quick in the Celica with a correct charge and new condenser, the heat comes on strong and quick too. It's not that hard to get a not open differential in those C series transmissions, in fact you can import a gear box with one already installed from the factory. I see about 33-35mpg on the highway doing 70-80mph with frequent full throttle pulls passing others (don't need full throttle to pass, just more fun) with the AC on. Actually unless it's a blazing hot day out (100+ full sun) on the highway the AC gets TOO cold and I have to turn it down or off!

And my Celica DOES NOT sound like angry bees!

[Box]

Hmmm, really just need to test them to know for sure. I imagine the power delivery would be a fair bit better than the Celica and Miata I had though. Good to know about the LSD trans for the Celica. 33-35 is pretty good, I forgot the Celica was rated a little better than the Integra and RSX. A/C too cold, no such thing when you're heat sensitive in the humid and hot south.

It sounds like happy bees?

[Bitter]

I get goose bumps and shiver it gets so cold.

[Box]

So that means I'll be comfortable leaving it on full blast 24/7.

Seriously though looking around on YouTube, trying to exclude to "HD quality", and all the exhaust videos of any one of them sound from bad to terrible. Then again everyone insists on doing a header, straight pipe, and a straight through muffler. Though I think there was one of a Celica where they just changed the muffler to a MagnaFlow that wasn't too bad.

[Bitter]

That's what I've got, just a Magnaflow on the stock system. My intake makes as much or more noise. Yea the youtube videos are awful, I think the cheap lil mics on most things have a hard time catching the sound correctly. Mine sounds like a stock or very mild 750-1000cc sport bike exhaust. I'll see if I can get some exhaust clip sometime but don't hold your breath. Keeping the OE resonated tip really kills the buzz.

[Box]

Does it sound like a Yamaha sport bike? Yeah I'd only change the muffler, if that, as well as the air intake. I don't see why people insist on removing cats on cars, newer ones really aren't restrictive at all. I personally can't stand raw exhaust, I hate my brother's Genesis after he went to full race exhaust. That and on most vehicles removing the cats make it sound way too raspy and obnoxious. I'm not sure what's worse an I4 with straight pipe or trucks with a low compression V8 with oversized straight pipe, like seriously you managed to make a V8 sound like ass good going.

[narly_charley]

Built a work bench for the new toolbox and put up old cabinets for storage yesterday.

[cheela]

so clean and organized... unlike mine. hahaha

[Box]

Reminds me I need to get cabinets organized and setup along with some tool boxes, along with a million other things.

[narly_charley]

so clean and organized... unlike mine. hahaha

I plan on keeping it as organized as possible. Haha! I plan on getting some sheet metal on top as well to keep the plywood from getting stuff spilled on it and whatnot.

Reminds me I need to get cabinets organized and setup along with some tool boxes, along with a million other things.

These cabinets were original to the house from 73' and they were in the basement set up as wood shop. You can find cabinets that people throw out all the time and they are PERFECT for a garage.

[Box]

I have two giant metal cabinets, like 7 feet tall, 3-4 feet wide, and 1-2 feet deep. Just need to get shelving setup so they're more useful.

Hmmm, 2003+ Celica have black interiour. So is the dash a hard plastic on 7th gens or is it slightly soft? I guess it doesn't particularly matter since I don't think I've ever seen one crack.

This post has been edited by Box: Aug 7, 2017 - 10:50 PM