 7gc GT-turbo vs 6gc 3s swap, what do you think? |
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 Jul 7, 2004 - 12:04 AM
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i dont even consider 7th gens as real celica's...they have the "celica badge" but its a whole different car.
3SGTE handz down. I dont care even if it waz a 4th gen All-trac... |
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Jul 7, 2004 - 1:22 AM
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i have never seen a FWD car of any kind pull off the line and gain 3-4 car lengths on a AWD car with out the aid of drag slicks and LSD(neither of which are one nearly all 7th gen gts's) at LACR(the 1/4 track nearest to me) nearly all of the FWD guys launch with the method you just described, and it gets them no where fast. and a AWD car would only lag if you botch the launch. otherwise they fly like a bat out of hell i have been in a GTS, and driven it 1st gear is horrible, the lack of low end power really hurts the car in that gear -------------------- 1994 Celica GT4 WRC Edition
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Jul 7, 2004 - 1:30 AM
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 Enthusiast Joined Jul 4, '04 From 626 Ca Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
the 7th gen gt celica has 140..yea only 5 hp difference but 140 is the correct bhp that my engine produces...you're right about 125 lb tq though.
the lift on the gt-s starts at 6000rpm i'm sure it's not 7200 <--that's a lil too late..and with 6 close gears, u'll always be at lift for kick ass acceleration...turboing it is NOT a good idea cuz of the high compression setting..the engine could take so much...that XS engineering kit is ONLY for the gt-s...hmmm..i think that's all i had to say... o and i agree with everything redsuncelica said. i just saw the post right above...it's just the way u launch it..i've got videos of good ass drivers that perform perfect launches on their gt-s.. looks sweet and he did get 3-4 car length ahead his opponent. so i'm thinkin maybe ur just too used to the traction of 4wd cars n didn't launch the gt-s that u drove properly. it duz take practice. 
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Jul 7, 2004 - 6:19 AM
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I dont think its merely practice or driving abilities. Its also a matter of traction. Think of it this way; the gt4 puts power to the ground with all 4 wheels but the 7gen only on 2 wheels. for simplicity purposes, 2 cars with the same power, same tyres, same weight but one is awd, the awd will spin the tyres at twice the power to the ground due to traction. I know a guy with a highly modded 3S-GTe swap and that car could spin in 3rd and 4th gear. 450bhp will do that to a car.
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Jul 7, 2004 - 1:42 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Jul 4, '04 From 626 Ca Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
^^ u didn't know we were talkin bout stock cars only? see, my theory is that 4wd cars need the right amount of boost to perform just like ur modded 450 hp 3s friend. with stock engine..it's gonna need some help.
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Jul 7, 2004 - 3:14 PM
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the elise also ways about 2000lbs |
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Jul 8, 2004 - 11:14 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Jan 28, '03 From underground Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
ill be finding out very soon. a guy with a turbo 7gen gts wants to race
me. ill tell you guys what happens. maybe try to get picks or vids if someone has a dig cam. |
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Jul 9, 2004 - 1:39 AM
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 Enthusiast Joined Jan 1, '03 From LB gizzie, cali Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
you're racing a turbo'd GTS with a 7afe?.. i think the GTS turbo is pretty vicious.. I was talkin about the GT turbos... but thats great.. you found something stronger and faster to race... keep us updated..
-------------------- [color=#FF0000] I MISS MY RED BABY =(
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Jul 9, 2004 - 2:10 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 30, '02 From Anaheim, CA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
you live in socal right? im pretty sure 626 area code is socal do you drive a GT-S? if so we could meet up and i can see how you launch your car and you can see how i launch mine. granted, my WRX has 27 more hp and 17 more torque than a 5th gen alltrac, so the outcome will not resemble what it would be when a alltrac races a GT-S, but the launching should be quite similar -------------------- 1994 Celica GT4 WRC Edition
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Jul 9, 2004 - 8:26 AM
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true, but if vvti doesnt have potential then they won't use it on a elise. |
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Jul 9, 2004 - 10:57 AM
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Ryu? Have you seen one? The reason there's only ONE turbo kit for the GTS is because it reacts REALLY badly to forced induction.. when you take the variable timing with lift out of it and just do forced induction with FI timing, it's just the GT engine with really bad turbo lag. |
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Jul 9, 2004 - 2:42 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Jul 4, '04 From 626 Ca Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
naw, i drive a GT..and i'm sure ur wrx will eat me or a gt-s. i'm not the pro racer who practice everyday anyways, so u wouldn't get action from me. and my only point is that the 200 hp isn't enough for a 4wd car to have such great launch as your wrx. but hey, it's not everday i get a good look at a wrx. what year is your's?
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Jul 9, 2004 - 10:41 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Jan 1, '03 From LB gizzie, cali Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
i have a friend with a 3s swap with fmic..and he killed a wrx..hehe... Toyceli8
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Jul 9, 2004 - 11:16 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Jan 1, '03 From LB gizzie, cali Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
 i dont know anything about 7gen...but i'm learning alot here
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Jul 10, 2004 - 12:58 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Jul 4, '04 From 626 Ca Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
^^ the 7th gens r very simple since there's only 2 engine models. hehe
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Jul 10, 2004 - 2:49 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 30, '02 From Anaheim, CA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
i have an 04 model and i wasnt looking for a kill, i just wanted to actually see a properly launched GT-S. i usually stick to cars in my league. there is no fun in a straight line race when one car has a huge power advantage over the other. the first and only time i raced my WRX was last wed. night. i was turning on my street to go home when a 240sx flew past me. i recognised that it was turbo and that it belonged to a co-worker. so i followed him to the local best buy parking lot where i met another WRX owner who went to my school. we all went to the local racing area and all three of us went at the same time, 4 times. me-stock WRX, friend 1-95 240sx with stock sr20 swap(intake actually, but at stock boost), friend 2-02 WRX wagon boosting 17psi(stock is 12). that was really fun because i was dead even with the 240sx and the other WRX, well he was doing 6krpm dumps to launch, nice 4 wheel smoking action(very, very bad for the car) Ryu3x16, Toyceli8's celica puts down to the wheels as much as a stock WRX has at the crank with a lot less weight, if he doesnt beat a wrx than shame on him, lol 
-------------------- 1994 Celica GT4 WRC Edition
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Jul 10, 2004 - 3:38 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Jul 4, '04 From 626 Ca Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
o cool, if u want...i can send u sum of their vids through aim. im me at "rycecube" and i can send it through there
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Jul 10, 2004 - 11:25 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Dec 31, '03 From England, United Kingdom Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Bottom line: The 2ZZGE cannot stand upto the the maximum potential power output of the 3S-GTE. Period. Have you any idea how high you can take a GTE? It's turbo from the off. It's designed for big power. The 2ZZGE is an N/A engine that people just happened to have made turbos for as an aftermarket/custom part. Those two scenarios are just not the same.
Granted, any race between any 2 cars is partially dependant on to what degree both cars have been tuned but if we're talking an extreme 6gc Vs. an extreme example of a 7gc, I just don't see the 7th gen winning. Stock GTE's can be anything upto 255bhp (depending on the car they came out of, generation of engine, what territory you're in blah, blah, blah). If you can take 2ZZGE upto 255bhp, I'd say you're onto a pretty good thing. The JDM spec GTE from the ST-205 STARTS there. I've seen the lower UK spec (235bhp) taken to well over 400bhp. I don't know exactly what a JDM engine would run to. I know traction is an issue for both cars, being FF, so you wouldn't want to go to those power levels in either (Well, I wouldn't, save that for the GT-Four.) But you get the idea. Now don't think for one minute I'm dissin' 7gcs cos I'm not. I like all Celicas and a helluva lot of other Toyotas/general Jap performance cars besides. So I don't want to stir up any animosity, both are cool cars and as fellow lovers of Toyota we should all just get along. I'm just voicing my opinion, that's all. P.S. 6th gen Celicas aren't that heavy ya know..... |
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Jul 10, 2004 - 6:21 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Jan 28, '03 From underground Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
i dont have a 7a...check my pics. anyway a 7gen gts gets spanked like the rest. this turbo gts will give me a better challenge. |
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Jul 11, 2004 - 12:21 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Jan 1, '03 From LB gizzie, cali Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
damn...your car is nice,man... mad props... anyways..get the race on camera..that would be cool.. -------------------- [color=#FF0000] I MISS MY RED BABY =(
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