the cops suck thread, why Options

[darksecret]

I think it's like 1 of every 3 or 8 get sent back. I can't remember but Time did the whole spread on it.

[Andason]

and it IS a race thing sometimes...trust me. ive been black all my life.  what percentage of the usa is black? 12ish? u know what percentage of people that get pulled over are black? does it add up? nope. by the way...prisons are populated overwhelmingly by african americans....it dosent make sense...doing their job my natural black....a$$
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Did you ever think there was a legitimate explaination for this. Maybe black people DO commit more crime than white people? As racist as that sounds it really isn't. Typically black people are more likely to be living in povery and more likely to take advantage of these conditions by dealing drugs in order to survive. This could be a reason for the over-representation of blacks in our correctional facility.

Now here's my response to that, of those 14 tickets I have been charged with maybe 5, most of the time the cop doesn't have any form of proof because he just guessed I was doing wrong, his guess cost me money, while he gets to take his patrol car and do every bit of 70 (35 zone) in front of my business around a blind corner and not even bother with the stop sign, not to mention that he had no sirens or lights on. Another one I get pulled over so the cop can get in front of me in traffic, the SOB turned his sirens on long enough for me to get out of the way then turned them off again, but if I didn't pull over he would have charged me with evasion. The best one was I got a ticket for wreckless driving and endangering lives, see the cop claimed I did a burnout in my Sierra but the problem was I was in a totally different area from where he claimed he seen it sitting in my truck with it off, I pulled his report for that day and it turned out the exact same time he give me the ticket he was dealing with an accident about a quarter mile down the road from where he pulled me, my guess is he was going to an accident and heard the tire squeal and seen me, this young guy in a vehicle that looked like it needed to be on a track, I told him if it had been me there wouldn't have been a squeal and there would have been enough smoke to fill the parking lot. I lost my license because of some stupid law change and they cut the points requirements almost in half, well I was at the very bottom of that half in points. I have done wrong but I have also been pulled for speeding at a stoplight, being young and not speeding (cops hate that one), accelerating up a hill, not slowing down quicker than the cop when entering a new speed zone (this one is good because the cop slowed down almost a half mile from the new zone), I did get an honest 70 in a 55 but the cop was in a blue Z28 that looked like an everyday vehicle and was revving and lighting his tires at a stoplight trying to get me to race, the list goes on and no these aren't what I was charged with but if you do enough b****ing in court they usually drop it or throw it out because they know as well as I do it's true.
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You still don't deserve a license. Cops have every right to cut through stop lights. They do go to calls that they dont require emergency flashers for but it may require some urgency. I don't care what your past is nor do I care that you own a business. I have a friend in Iraq who is probably one of those people who does not deserve a license. Is this of any relevance? Nope. Any retard can own a business. You complain about 100 dollar tickets so apparently you are not too well off with your business. Apparently you also can't afford a lawyer on your funds, I've been charged with "Following too closely in automobile" for rear ending someone. Got that dropped. I also have been charged with "Unreasonable and Imprudent speed" and got amended to "Excessive noise by vehicle acceleration" I still to this day have no points off of my license except two for "Illegal window tint"

If you are going to try to use the "I'm a terrible driver" thing, try again. This stuff all happened 5 years ago. Then I realized to stop driving like a retard and haven't been pulled over since.

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You lost any sense of common sense for referring to a Michael Moore film. Propaganda bull****. Bush is a fairly shady politican but is very good at what he does.

[DamDirtyApes]

Andason is the man

All of you kids that whine about cops really need to get your facts straight and get a sense of reality. Of course there are some crooked cops out there. Which profession doesnt have problems. If you follow the law, your not gonna get in trouble. You get speeding tickets because ur driving in an illegal fashion. cut the bull****. you break the law, you gotta pay.

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[DamDirtyApes]

o yeah, moore is a anti american pile of ****.

[Drocay]

Andason that great, but how the hell did u get points for tint. thats a non moving violation aka no points.

[saleeka]

sigh... I HATE people who always have an excuse as to why they are right/ shouldent have had this happen/ I was set up/ they cant prove it...

[SexyCelica]

as a law enforcement student right now it always rubs me the wrong way when people are all like boo hooo they ar harrassing me its all about me , look at me,, give me attention. first they are doin a job, to them they dont know the truth of what is happenning


for maddmod- waht would u think if ur girlfriend was stopped by someone in a parking lot and the cop didnt check it out and then she was assualted or murdered???? everythink about that???? he had to make sure. so in turn u were the @sshole for filing a complaint


another thing is for all of you people who bitch about them remember who will be their when someones breakin into ur house or trying to kill you and for those that truly hate them i hope they dont make it in time


dont drive stupid then u wont get pulled over and if u do get pulled over deal with it dont be stupid and talk back and cause more problems for urself and then bitch about how unfair it was

[darksecret]

You still don't deserve a license. Cops have every right to cut through stop lights. They do go to calls that they dont require emergency flashers for but it may require some urgency. I don't care what your past is nor do I care that you own a business. I have a friend in Iraq who is probably one of those people who does not deserve a license. Is this of any relevance? Nope. Any retard can own a business. You complain about 100 dollar tickets so apparently you are not too well off with your business. Apparently you also can't afford a lawyer on your funds, I've been charged with "Following too closely in automobile" for rear ending someone. Got that dropped. I also have been charged with "Unreasonable and Imprudent speed" and got amended to "Excessive noise by vehicle acceleration" I still to this day have no points off of my license except two for "Illegal window tint"

If you are going to try to use the "I'm a terrible driver" thing, try again. This stuff all happened 5 years ago. Then I realized to stop driving like a retard and haven't been pulled over since.

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You lost any sense of common sense for referring to a Michael Moore film. Propaganda bull****. Bush is a fairly shady politican but is very good at what he does.
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First off my business does very well that is why i'm sitting here fighting with you and not sitting in jail for the offences I have. You call Moore propaganda you sir are truely ignorant, showing you're the type that Bush could put a bullet in your family members heads and you would still praise him, and Bush is the one hiring actors to portray his B/S administration as actually doing a good job, he got busted, if Moore was propaganda don't you think the Republicans would have spent millions of our dollars trying to proove it, they can't because it's not. Window tint and noise are not driving like an idiot. You think because you are getting a piece of paper that says you know the law that you can tell me what cops can and can't do, buddy I have experience in court, got the practice defending myself and learned from the county magistrate I know a little about law too. Cops are required to turn their sirens when running stoplights, otherwise when they cause an accident they can have a good defense. Also in North Carolina the officer cannot write you with a ticket if they cannot show you the speed they clocked you doing. I drive based on my skill level, i'm not some soccer mom swerving in and out of lanes, I made one stupid mistake and it cost me my car. I have never injured anyone in a wreck, my driving has never even come close to harming another. You see you tell me I drive like a**, driving bad is someone who cuts people off and then slows down, or about running someone off the road because they didn't pay attention when switching lanes, I am an excellent driver and I know it ask easternpiro1 he's seen me drive I can hold my own and you can say it will catch up with me someday, I would like to see it try at the speed i'm going (j/k about the speed thing). Just because I get a lot of tickets doesn't mean i'm any worse it just means I got pulled by the officer that didn't get laid the night before.

[darksecret]

as a law enforcement student right now it always rubs me the wrong way when people are all like boo hooo they ar harrassing me its all about me , look at me,, give me attention. first they are doin a job, to them they dont know the truth of what is happenning


for maddmod- waht would u think if ur girlfriend was stopped by someone in a parking lot and the cop didnt check it out and then she was assualted or murdered???? everythink about that???? he had to make sure. so in turn u were the @sshole for filing a complaint


another thing is for all of you people who bitch about them  remember who will be their when someones breakin into ur house or trying to kill you and for those that truly hate  them i hope they dont make it in time


dont drive stupid then u wont get pulled over and if u do get pulled over deal with it dont be stupid and talk back and cause more problems for urself and then bitch about how unfair it was
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I said before this isn't about the breaking and entering, if a cop stopped me while walking into a store or even while driving because I fit a description it wouldn't bother me, but no they pull me because of some B/S quota they have to fill. Around here the cops place bets on how many of a certain race or age group they can give tickets to, and the best one is how many of a certain car (i.e. sports, SUV). You can say i'm s***ing you but ask Officer Cochran of the Monroe police he's one of my friends and he's helped me get out of a few bogus charges. Look up Officer Sherwood's record the guy pulls people over and gives a 6x in a 45 regardless of what you did, he got me for speeding at a stoplight and was so p***ed when that's what I told the judge that, the DA knew of his record and let me off. Just because someone believes everything the news tells them doesn't give them the right to say i'm a bad driver, there might not be crooked cops in other parts of the country, but NC is full of them because they generate revenue. They called street racing an epidemic here at one time, but the only people ever truely hurt in a street race here was a group of 11 who got busted and their cars taken away. We raced at Twin Lakes for a long time every weekend and nobody ever got hurt, we do 100+mph fun runs to our race locations with 75+ cars and nobody got hurt or even a fender bender. I was watching the news yesterday and in the state of Indiana there are more children that die from abuse than street racing deaths in our state, which I don't remeber any in Charlotte caused by street racing. Bottom line is unless everyones little piece of paper says they know North Carolina law they can't tell me anything about what goes on here.

[darksecret]

Andason makes a good point and I make a good point, I forgot to mention that the only time I do speed is on the backroads or Interstates, in which I have never recieved a ticket. People around here drive like a**, ask anyone from this area, if you drive stupid on the highway you're asking for an accident because some old couple in an SUV will cut in front of you without blinking. I do speed on the backroads usually on the way home from work and the only time i've been pulled is at a traffic stop through the hispanic neighborhood. I don't mean to offend anyone about the little piece of paper thing, I have a few of them for doing PC work, it just means you might know what you've been taught but expeirence will out do education any day. My uncle just got A+ certified and i'll run circles around him with a computer. I feel people that drive like a** need to get a ticket, when I see someone on a cellphone swurving in and out of traffic doing 60mph they need to get pulled. I've said before i've done stupid stuff but this thread is for complaining about the times you didn't do stupid stuff and got a ticket any way. I got my first ticket for 71 in a 55 and it was completely legit, I also have been pulled for 64 in a 55 but got a warning. I got another for 64 in a 45 on 601 South that was my fault, one for 90 in a 45 and wreckless for the wreck I had, but as far as I can recall that was it that I know I did wrong. That one wreck was true stupidity because I was only 17 and had no experience driving a Mustang around a curve to fast (I learned Mustangs handle like garbage that day too, lol). I learned my lesson a few of years ago about doing something I can't handle but now we have all these rookie cops trying to proove something and pulling anyone they can pin the blame on over. I also forgot to mention about the crooked cop thing, if you check the news we had a lot of cops get busted for cheating on skills test, so there is no telling how many cops we have patrolling the area that don't know anything because they cheated their way through the academy.

[dustin15brown]

OK then can someone attempt to give me a reasonable explanation for my ticket? I took some drunks home, followed one who was driving, didn't get pulled over and got a ticket.... anyone?

[madmods]

for maddmod- waht would u think if ur girlfriend was stopped by someone in a parking lot and the cop didnt check it out and then she was assualted or murdered???? everythink about that???? he had to make sure. so in turn u were the @sshole for filing a complaint
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Hey F U a-hole,
You got alot of nerve coming here and attacking me. I was in a parking lot talking to my girlfriend you prick. We drove together. So does that mean every cop has to stop when 2 people of different races are talking? We wouldn't get anything done would we?

[darksecret]

What madmods was trying to say is that cops don't need to naturally assume that something is wrong. If she was trying to get away from him I would understand, but they were having a conversation. Police are to quick to stereotype, because of their training they think they're professional profilers. During my service we had to profile enemies, but we didn't shoot first then check, we waited until they shown proof they were hostile, it didn't matter if we lost a couple of guys in the attack. Police don't follow the same rules as the military, we both have rules of engagment but it's easier for a cop to get away with breaking his because they mostly work alone or with a partner. If I shot an enemy without verification first I would be in prison right now, but cops get a reprimand and a week off of work for it. Also if she was in a parking lot getting assaulted or just getting some the officer would have full right to say something until that happened he should have just kept to himself.

This post has been edited by darksecret: Apr 26, 2005 - 4:31 PM

[darksecret]

OK then can someone attempt to give me a reasonable explanation for my ticket? I took some drunks home, followed one who was driving, didn't get pulled over and got a ticket....  anyone?
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You got me, when did you get the ticket?

[Andason]

Andason that great, but how the hell did u get points for tint. thats a non moving violation aka no points.
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Good question. I was young and I didn't really think of it.

You call Moore propaganda you sir are truely ignorant, showing you're the type that Bush could put a bullet in your family members heads and you would still praise him, and Bush is the one hiring actors to portray his B/S administration as actually doing a good job, he got busted, if Moore was propaganda don't you think the Republicans would have spent millions of our dollars trying to proove it, they can't because it's not.

He is a neo-conservative. Figure it out... the popular vote voted him back in. The GOP didn't waste their time on Moore because he is a conspiracist. Let's spend millions of dollars to disprove one idiots idea... wow, you keep digging your hole deeper and deeper man.

You think because you are getting a piece of paper that says you know the law that you can tell me what cops can and can't do, buddy I have experience in court, got the practice defending myself and learned from the county magistrate I know a little about law too. Cops are required to turn their sirens when running stoplights, otherwise when they cause an accident they can have a good defense. Also in North Carolina the officer cannot write you with a ticket if they cannot show you the speed they clocked you doing. I drive based on my skill level, i'm not some soccer mom swerving in and out of lanes, I made one stupid mistake and it cost me my car. I have never injured anyone in a wreck, my driving has never even come close to harming another.

Wow, wow, wow. We learn biology as Criminal Justice majors. You are an IDIOT. GOSH. Would you like a LIST of my applicable courses in law (both court and policing)? I have more expierence you could imagine at law. I'm not sure what NC laws are, but cops CAN write a ticket without showing you speed... its called, yes, you got it "UNREASONABLE AND IMPRUDENT SPEED."

They called street racing an epidemic here at one time, but the only people ever truely hurt in a street race here was a group of 11 who got busted and their cars taken away. We raced at Twin Lakes for a long time every weekend and nobody ever got hurt, we do 100+mph fun runs to our race locations with 75+ cars and nobody got hurt or even a fender bender. I was watching the news yesterday and in the state of Indiana there are more children that die from abuse than street racing deaths in our state, which I don't remeber any in Charlotte caused by street racing. Bottom line is unless everyones little piece of paper says they know North Carolina law they can't tell me anything about what goes on here.
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Street racing isn't dangerous? I really hope you or someone close dies because of some idiot going 95 million miles an hour street racing. Then we'll see what happens to your attitude about it. ONE person dying from it is ONE too many. Keep it on the track.

I also forgot to mention about the crooked cop thing, if you check the news we had a lot of cops get busted for cheating on skills test, so there is no telling how many cops we have patrolling the area that don't know anything because they cheated their way through the academy.
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Will you PLEASE give up on this cop conspiracy thing. They have supervisors to report to and if you have a problem please let their supervisor know.

OK then can someone attempt to give me a reasonable explanation for my ticket? I took some drunks home, followed one who was driving, didn't get pulled over and got a ticket....  anyone?
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More details please?

What madmods was trying to say is that cops don't need to naturally assume that something is wrong. If she was trying to get away from him I would understand, but they were having a conversation. Police are to quick to stereotype, because of their training they think they're professional profilers. During my service we had to profile enemies, but we didn't shoot first then check, we waited until they shown proof they were hostile, it didn't matter if we lost a couple of guys in the attack. Police don't follow the same rules as the military, we both have rules of engagment but it's easier for a cop to get away with breaking his because they mostly work alone or with a partner. If I shot an enemy without verification first I would be in prison right now, but cops get a reprimand and a week off of work for it. Also if she was in a parking lot getting assaulted or just getting some the officer would have full right to say something until that happened he should have just kept to himself.
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Where do you learn about what cops do? Of course they profile. It's how they identify crime. Cops, like most people, have an intuition of if something is wrong. Can you sense if someone is scared by you? Yes, you can. If someone is showing fear its quite easily a sign they are doing something wrong. Cops don't shoot first, ask questions later. From what I hear from friends in Iraq it is quite opposite in the Military. Police follow many simliar rules to the military. The rules of engaugement are much higher for a police officer. If a person shows hostility there is a certain level of force that can be escalated by that officer. Non-deadly force is used in that situtation. The officer can only use deadly force if there is an immediate threat of death.

Cops go to jail too. Look at many of the people who have. Powell? (Rodney King's assaulter) He is/was in prison. There are many cases. Do your research before speaking.

[dustin15brown]

I got it TWO days after my month long vacation in Alabama.... It was around september. I'm still fighting it, Indiana law doens't require radar ticket OR patrol video. The cop mouthed he had a patrol video, so I call my lawyer and tell him to get it, but he temporarily misplaced it. WTF 4 point offence too

[SexyCelica]

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This post has been edited by SexyCelica: Apr 26, 2005 - 10:33 PM

[SexyCelica]

for maddmod- waht would u think if ur girlfriend was stopped by someone in a parking lot and the cop didnt check it out and then she was assualted or murdered???? everythink about that???? he had to make sure. so in turn u were the @sshole for filing a complaint
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Hey F U a-hole,
You got alot of nerve coming here and attacking me. I was in a parking lot talking to my girlfriend you prick. We drove together. So does that mean every cop has to stop when 2 people of different races are talking? We wouldn't get anything done would we?
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well i can talk to whoever i want and u seemed to have the stupidest most ignorant response so i picked u. and i really hope somethin bad happens to you and no one helps.
good luck with life

[dustin15brown]

umm ^ could be the rudest/cruelest thing I've heard... Come on now guys

[nObOdy]

Interesting posts here.. thought id add my own opinions.. which is what all of this is really - opinion, personal bias, perspective. no matter how much you may think you are untouched... sorry you are. who you are colors what you see no matter how hard you try. obviously steps can be taken to minimize this but the fact of the matter still presides.
first off .. the guy whose had 14 tickets in 4 years, and claims he is a good driver is just wrong. absolutely wrong. And I realize that you haven’t been in an accident – but, continue driving as you do, and you will. Of course i realize that you think you are singled out for being a certain race - and of course it happens. but 14 times is a few too many. i can understand one, two, three but your getting up there in 14 tickets. i hope to god i never drive near you. secondly.. being a computer science major.. flaunting about being someone with an a+ certification is something you'd only get away with if no one knew what an a+ certification is.. try a ccna or a ccie or some kind of networking degree- or **** maybe even a degree in computers? Maybe that should cater some respect – but anyone with a very minimal knowledge of computers can garner an a+ certification… its nothing to flaunt that you can outsmart someone with one. anyhow..
being white - i may not have the same view you do, but, all of you who think racism is not an issue in this world, read The Racial Contract by charles w mills. His thoughts are both highly intelligent and interesting.
but those of you who think racism is rampantly affecting all of those tickets you are getting... seriously come on, try this, examine what you were doing. Yes ive been a highschooler - ive gotten tickets that i swear i shouldnt have. Yet – that was cause I was so wrapped up in too many other things especially the inability to take responsibility of my own actions to admit I was wrong. though the fact of the matter is, Yea maybe there are some more dangerous people out there driving who arent getting ticketed. but excessive speeding is a trait of a BAD DRIVER, no matter how much you think you are in control you are still going too fast and thus you are behaving in an insafe manner.
cops are not all out there just to push a quota. they are there number one to protect the people. No you driving 85 in a 35 are not being safe, no matter how "in control" you think you are, the faster you are going the longer it takes to stop. so the cop that gets your stupid ass off the street - is the cop that saves my life when i turn a right and dont expect you to be a dumbass and speed so excessively. Cops are also there to make money. it is their job to find and fine those who are breaking the law, they dont have to imagine people breaking the law because think of how many unlawful people are in this world.
also im sure you didnt know this about the rodney king beating which spurred the city of LA into a rather LARGE riot (id say) was that rodney was on PCP and cocaine among various other drugs. for those of you who do not know what PCP is - think of this - PCP users DO NOT FEEL PAIN, you can whack them with the nightstick all you want, but if you want to get someone to the point where they are no longer a harm to you - you have to BREAK their bones and tear their muscles so they can no longer physically USE them.
Now - I dont know about you that have seen the video - but it definitely seems to me that they could have thrown rodney in handcuffs and he would have ceased to have been so much of a threat or some kind of more peaceful approach. also - an FYI it took 3 plastic surgeons to put his face back to its original state- and even so it wasent fully rodney's face anymore. If you guys want to learn some facts about the rodney king beating - pick up anna deavere smith's novel TWILIGHT its really a good recounting of many different view points of many different races which were involved in the riot.
also - micheal moore is and interesting thing - as a non bush supporter - i will not lie and say that i am not biased. but micheal does raise some interesting questions and his stories on how the truth could have really fallen into action really is scary how perfectly some of the pieces fit. some of the points micheal makes are just lucridous - for example - he slams bush for not acting for 7 min after the first plane hit on 9/11 - what i believe he fails to realize is - picture yourself in that situation - would you be like OH NO! - well i had a PLAN should this happen! say you hear some really bad news- like your father has died - do you immediately go - alright well the funeral will be on sunday - lets get flowers and start going off on what you need to do? no. you go, ****....
my.. dad is gone or handle it your own way but its rare to find someone who is spurred into action by such an event such as that.
Yes i know this is far gone from the topic of corrupt police but i enjoy allowing my ideas to be read and criticized because i will not be a person who follows multiplist thinking.

alright - the guy who was talking to his girlfriend and the cop came over - i really dont understand what your mad at... if he had been anything other than questioning maybe i could understand your anger. You are so blinded by the thought that he came over purely because of your race you have forgotten the entire reason he came over at all was to make sure the lady was alright – sitting in a parking lot and talking IS a bit suspicious if you think about it go to a park or better yet – go home and talk anywhere but a fast food restaurant parking lot..… so – stop your quick to anger cause a cop has taken interest in you - rather think of what he assuring – the safety of the women of our country – don’t automatically assume every slight injustice upon you was because your race.
A lot of times this injustice cry against cops can really be thought out in a much more logical manner than automatically placing the blame on your race, or that the cop hadn’t gotten laid the night before or whatever. That’s just bull**** btw..
If a cop needs to get by you and he flashes his lights so you’ll move – move, don’t whine about it, you don’t know the situation, don’t criticize it – its just stupid to assume that he was doing it just to get another spot ahead of you in traffic.. do you assume that only because you’d do it? From whence does this idea come from…

Alls I’m asking people to begin doing – is think – and I’m sorry if my essay to you all wasn’t coherent I must say I am quite tired anyhow
Rip me apart as you wish – but do it civilly I don’t feel like drawing out a petty fight of words from people with over inflated egos …
nObOdy