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[Supersprynt]

Super, the point I was making is that there should be no choice except under extreme circumstances.

Pro Choice is the same as Pro Death / Killing. The choice is wether or not to kill a baby.

Her choice should have been made at the same time she had sex.

It's not part of her body. It's in her body.

Saying that it's ok to kill the baby because it's part of her body is like saying my siamese twin is part of my body so I think I'm going to kill him because it'd be easier for me to live.

Thats right your saying there should be no choice, in America your saying there should be no choice.

Pro Choice doesnt mean pro-death or pro killing. Why do I know this? Because I rather not see babies killed but at conception its not a baby, its a fertilized egg and I'm pro choice. You should be ashamed of yourself for making this comment, its quite ignorant. I dont have a problem with you, this is the internet and you cant tell my context but only the words you & write. Pro choice is not pro killing, KNOW that.

What if the condom broke? What if her birth control didnt work? Its not 100%, she made the choice to have sex, not to have a baby.

And no, not until a certain point (where abortion should be a def. no no & already is) the baby cannot survive w/o the mother and is attached to the mother via the uterus.

[jgreening]

Thats right your saying there should be no choice, in America your saying there should be no choice.

Pro Choice doesnt mean pro-death or pro killing. Why do I know this? Because I rather not see babies killed but at conception its not a baby, its a fertilized egg and I'm pro choice. You should be ashamed of yourself for making this comment, its quite ignorant.

I think his statement is quite rational and informed myself. What about abortion right before delivery? Are you saying that is not pro-killing? The fact is that at some point during the pregnancy, the baby is able to live outside the womb without the mother. The fact that women can abort after that point is shameful in my opinion because the woman is choosing to kill the baby (or terminate the pregnancy for you people that like to mince words) instead of going through the discomfort of child birth. For the time period before that, its a more difficult question IMO.

As for this "freedom" argument, I think people can take it too far. Society sets up all kinds of laws that each take away freedom but which are beneficial. For example: Its against the law to run a red light. Does that take away freedom? Sure. But, it also makes perfect sense and nobody would suggest it is "bad" merely because people are not free to do so. The same can be said for murder. Sure, the murderer has his "freedom" to kill taken away but most of us agree that the losing this freedom is a good thing. This brings us to abortion. For those that believe that life begins sometime prior to birth, a law to protect that innocent life is justified and the liberty interest in getting rid of the baby hardly worth protecting.

This post has been edited by jgreening: Nov 28, 2005 - 11:29 PM

[dlx742]

i thought about this, sorta

i think an abortion is wrong period, but in some small cases it could b acceptable i.e. rape. but if a person is just going to use abortion just because they dont want a baby now then that is wrong. if you are going to have sex you should know of the consequences. if you make the choice to have sex, then u need to accept the fact that a kid might come of it, no matter how careful you are. you need to be able to accept the fact that you might get pregnant/ get someone else pregnant and that if you do abortion should not be the "easy way out"

an abortion is only justifiable if having the baby endangers the girls life liek if she is way too young to give birth, or if you were raped and you absolutely can not have a child.

an abortion is wrong if having sex was your decision. because ultimately the child was your decision too

[WannabeGT4]

Super,
My opinion is that a fertalized egg is a life. Therefore killing that embryo is taking a life. So, too me, Pro Choice is the same as Pro Death. The fact that I think it's a life means that it's no different than killing a full grown human.

Why are people so afraid of responsibility? Everyone knows that birth control is not 100% guaranteed. That's a chance that she takes and she should be prepared to deal with the consequences. Baby killing should not be an option. Again this is just my opinion and I'm sure you won't agree.

It's obvious that we have different views of when a life begins and I don't think anything is going to change that.

[creis]

if you make the choice to have sex, then u need to accept the fact that a kid might come of it, no matter how careful you areyou need to be able to accept the fact that you might get pregnant/ get someone else pregnant and that if you do abortion should not be the "easy way out"

very good point, absolutly true.

we have different views of when a life begins

Yep. at what point is it a life, and no longer a chemical reaction.

[Supersprynt]

Thats right your saying there should be no choice, in America your saying there should be no choice.

Pro Choice doesnt mean pro-death or pro killing. Why do I know this? Because I rather not see babies killed but at conception its not a baby, its a fertilized egg and I'm pro choice. You should be ashamed of yourself for making this comment, its quite ignorant.

I think his statement is quite rational and informed myself. What about abortion right before delivery? Are you saying that is not pro-killing? The fact is that at some point during the pregnancy, the baby is able to live outside the womb without the mother. The fact that women can abort after that point is shameful in my opinion because the woman is choosing to kill the baby (or terminate the pregnancy for you people that like to mince words) instead of going through the discomfort of child birth. For the time period before that, its a more difficult question IMO.

As for this "freedom" argument, I think people can take it too far. Society sets up all kinds of laws that each take away freedom but which are beneficial. For example: Its against the law to run a red light. Does that take away freedom? Sure. But, it also makes perfect sense and nobody would suggest it is "bad" merely because people are not free to do so. The same can be said for murder. Sure, the murderer has his "freedom" to kill taken away but most of us agree that the losing this freedom is a good thing. This brings us to abortion. For those that believe that life begins sometime prior to birth, a law to protect that innocent life is justified and the liberty interest in getting rid of the baby hardly worth protecting.

You forgot to quote me where I say until a certain time the fetus cant live outside the body, and that I agree theres a definate point where abortion just isnt an option.

And when can you call it life when is it a baby, thats never going to be settled, thats never going to be agreed upon, this argument, will never be agreed upon. IMO theres a definite point where abortion cannot be an option, but there is a point where it is. Even if there are severe restrictions on this I'm fine with it. But definately restrictions. All the rest of that argument comes down to when is it life when is it a real baby and not just a fetus that cant be outside the mother yet.

[dlx742]

we have different views of when a life begins
Yep. at what point is it a life, and no longer a chemical reaction.

this is what its all about, this determines whether an abortion is murder or just getting rid of a pile of splitting cells. i personally believe that it is a human being at the moment of conception, that might be my 12 years of catholic school or the fact that it is the logical thing to believe.

This post has been edited by dlx742: Nov 29, 2005 - 12:07 AM

[Supersprynt]

religion & logic dont go together.

The moment of conception its basically 2 cells...thats not human being.

[creis]

^ true, I think untill its hard beats and its brain is running its just a pile of cells at work. like the ingrediants to a cake, toss em all in a bowl and you got a pile of crap in a bowl, its not a cake till you mix it up and shove it in the oven.

[Ethnykceli]

I am totally against abortion. However, I do belive every body has a choice, thats what makes us human. I also belive that life starts at conception. However you look at it, you cannot really say any thing about it untill your put in to that situation. Thats how life is.

[Ethnykceli]

religion & logic dont go together.

The moment of conception its basically 2 cells...thats not human being.

I do belive that the moment of conception is where life starts. It might not be the first breath, or heart beat. but it is in the process of becoming human. It is still ending a life.

This post has been edited by Ethnykceli: Nov 29, 2005 - 1:36 AM

[lil_rico]

my final opion is i guess u dont understand until u have a child u dont know how much u love someone until u go through preg and giving birth and so on ....

[ILuvMyCelica95]

my final opion is i guess u dont understand until u have a child u dont know how much u love someone until u go through preg and giving birth and so on ....

That statement doesn’t even make sense. The argument is not that people don’t understand that giving birth and having a child is a wonderful thing. The argument is whether someone who is pregnant should have the choice to abort their pregnancy or not.

[ILuvMyCelica95]

If a girl you had relations with, YES EVEN A 1 NIGHT STAND, got pregnant with YOUR child (don't argue, its YOURS), and she had an abortion, would you want to know before she did it? Or not be told at all and be fine with it after its done?

Yes you can state your reasons why you would or wouldn't have a baby now.

For me, I would DEFINATLY want to know. Even though it might not be planned, I feel if it took 2 people to make a child, then those 2 people should decide whether or not to keep the child. Right now I am going through some rough times financially so I know I cannot raise a child. My mind set isn't ready either. I really don't plan on having a child until I am about 28, so 6 more years. An abortion is a major descision so it does take time to make sure it is the one you want to make and not regret it. Realistically, I would prefer to put the baby up for adoption. Save a life and help a family.

Mods: I hope this doesn't start a war on 6gc, its just something I took serious when it was so close to my family. So members please do not attack other people's opinions.

David

Actually we have all moved away from the original question.

[lil_rico]

my final opion is i guess u dont understand until u have a child u dont know how much u love someone until u go through preg and giving birth and so on ....

That statement doesn’t even make sense. The argument is not that people don’t understand that giving birth and having a child is a wonderful thing. The argument is whether someone who is pregnant should have the choice to abort their pregnancy or not.

OK I GUESS U KNOW EVERYTHING SOOO NO ONE REPLY SHE KNOWS IT ALL SHE WINS PLUS NO ONE WILL EVER AGREEE ON THIS SOOOOOOOO IT SHOULD BE CLOSED

This post has been edited by lil_rico: Nov 29, 2005 - 1:41 PM

[ILuvMyCelica95]

my final opion is i guess u dont understand until u have a child u dont know how much u love someone until u go through preg and giving birth and so on ....

That statement doesn’t even make sense. The argument is not that people don’t understand that giving birth and having a child is a wonderful thing. The argument is whether someone who is pregnant should have the choice to abort their pregnancy or not.

OK I GUESS U KNOW EVERYTHING SOOO NO ONE REPLY SHE KNOWS IT ALL SHE WINS PLUS NO ONE WILL EVER AGREEE ON THIS SOOOOOOOO IT SHOULD BE CLOSED

Your ignorance amuses me. I never said I was right, and I do agree that no one will agree on this topic, but your previous statement about “your final opinion” doesn’t really make sense because that is not what the dispute is about. I was merely pointing that out to you, and there is no need for the caps lock, it’s quite aggravating.

[nik]

thats the best thing i've heard yet just close the topic

[lil_rico]

my final opion is i guess u dont understand until u have a child u dont know how much u love someone until u go through preg and giving birth and so on ....

That statement doesn’t even make sense. The argument is not that people don’t understand that giving birth and having a child is a wonderful thing. The argument is whether someone who is pregnant should have the choice to abort their pregnancy or not.

OK I GUESS U KNOW EVERYTHING SOOO NO ONE REPLY SHE KNOWS IT ALL SHE WINS PLUS NO ONE WILL EVER AGREEE ON THIS SOOOOOOOO IT SHOULD BE CLOSED

Your ignorance amuses me. I never said I was right, and I do agree that no one will agree on this topic, but your previous statement about “your final opinion” doesn’t really make sense because that is not what the dispute is about. I was merely pointing that out to you, and there is no need for the caps lock, it’s quite aggravating.

~EVERYONE IS MAKING THERE OWN OPION ON THIS SOOO I WAS JUST STATING MINE YEAH NO ONE WILL AGREEE ON THIS AND IF U DONT LIKE WHAT I WROTE GET OVER IT I THNK ITS FUNNY THIS WHOLE CAPS THING BOTHERS ALOT OF PPL IM NOT SURE Y BUT OH WELL ... AND DONT REPLY BACK TO THIS CUZ ITS NOT WORTH MY TIME THIS SUBJECT IS PRETTY MUCH OTHER WITH

This post has been edited by lil_rico: Nov 29, 2005 - 1:50 PM

[presure2]

i really wanna leave this open..so you guys can debate your little hearts out...
but, if you cant control yourselfs...it WILL be closed.

[nik]

can a mod lock this