Proper suspension set-up Options

[hitcachi]

i want to get some decent shocks in but koni's are kinda out of my price range. (broke ass college kid), so for now im lookin at blistiens possibly and i want really good tires. woud you suggest a "wider the tire the better" like a 225? or would a good grippinh 205 do the job on a 16' in.?

[boosted_K2]

you have to pay attention to rim width, you should have atleast a 7" wide wheel to run a 225. id recommend going with these:
http://www.hankooktireusa.com/product/tire...tail.asp?pid=86
in a 215/45/16 for a good cost effective street tire.

[andrewb0x29a]

yikes $200 for a custom alignment, that was expensive.... especially if you plan on trialing various setups.

Yeah, it was more than I had planned on but the shop that was going to do it had a broken alignment machine I needed it done that day. After I added the crash bolts the control arms needed a lot of adjustment to get everything lined up properly. Fortunately I knew exactly what I wanted ahead of time so I didn't need to try out various setups.

[boosted_K2]

ya, i was in the same situation, i needed it done friday before my co-driver picked it up to go to oscoda, ended up costing me 125 and we are going to need to make a few minor changes.

[jdg371]

hmm is 65 for a custom alignment a good price?

Im grabbing some wheels of my friends Alltrac. their 16x7.5, for now Im throwing my Potenza 050A on them (225/50) how well do you think it would work with a stock car.. ( heavy a** rims 18.1lb.. yikes!)

[andrewb0x29a]

hmm is 65 for a custom alignment a good price?

Im grabbing some wheels of my friends Alltrac. their 16x7.5, for now Im throwing my Potenza 050A on them (225/50) how well do you think it would work with a stock car.. ( heavy a** rims 18.1lb.. yikes!)

From what I've seen $65 is good for any alignment. The best I usually see for autoX alignments locally is ~$90 and you need to make an appointment a few weeks in advance.

One thing to remember about selecting wheels/tires is to see how they will impact your gearing and total height. Our cars are geared fairly low so a larger diameter tire will increase top speed in each gear. However, they also increase ride height. A smaller diameter tire will lower the car and help handling but could force you to upshift. I have been considering trying 14" wheels with small diameter tires to see what the effect would be. I already need 3rd on some courses.

Also, you really want light weight wheels and tires. Every extra lb of rotating weight is equivalent to ~10 lbs of normal weight. Dropping 1 lb per wheel would be like losing 40lbs from the rest of the car.

[boosted_K2]

make sure its 65 for a 4 wheel alignment, thats how i got screwed... i asked how much an alignment w/ custom specs would cost... after i get the car back it ends up being double b/c the quote was for only one end.

[Bigmeanbulldog55]

yikes $200 for a custom alignment, that was expensive.... especially if you plan on trialing various setups.

No kidding. I got mine done for $50. Actually, it was a gift from my dad, but it cost him $50. I'm about 2.5% in front, but more than that in the back. I need better tires, I slide way to much on hard turns. Body role hasn't even became a big issue yet. I think the sways would be the best thing for me right now. Almost winter, and I need to keep my crap tires till spring.

[boosted_K2]

2.5% of what?

[Bigmeanbulldog55]

2.5% of what?

lol, I ment, somewere around that many degrees negative camber. The front isn't too far off, but back is pretty extreme.

[hitcachi]

i dunno, i guess im still kinda lost. There are just so damn many suspension combinations and setups that you can have that i just dont get which one is the RIGHT one. Between shocks, tire size/weight, rim size/weight, so and so forth is just gets depressing. For now, i dont think that koni are for me. They are hardcore performance and you pay for it. But tires, i am considering a 205 or 215 but i dont want anything thats too big and would be bulky but i want wide.

This post has been edited by hitcachi: Aug 30, 2006 - 1:23 AM

[jdg371]

wow.. I believe this is SAD.. this is the 6gc community that attends motorsport..

[hitcachi]

wow.. I believe this is SAD.. this is the 6gc community that attends motorsport..

[jdg371]

the small % of the 6gcs members (4-5of us) that actually want to race our cars.. Ive just been thinking about it..

Tercels has a stronger amount of people that race theirs

[speedy]

so guys what about a quality coil over setup? or is it better to go with springs and struts sperately?

[boosted_K2]

the small % of the 6gcs members (4-5of us) that actually want to race our cars.. Ive just been thinking about it..

Tercels has a stronger amount of people that race theirs

lol and i dont even race a 6gc (though i did at one point) i find it funny how many more people here are obsessed w/ drag racing. drag racing is for fast cars, autocross is for fast drivers.

what is fun is watching someone bring some super modified street car out to an autocross and get totally frustrated because their $5k+ suspension SUCKS because its improperly setup.... its fun turning faster times than them and having them go "**** you must have some crazy suspension mods, whats done to it?" and being able to respond "its stock except some adjustable dampers and a front swaybar"

[hitcachi]

what is fun is watching someone bring some super modified street car out to an autocross and get totally frustrated because their $5k+ suspension SUCKS because its improperly setup.... its fun turning faster times than them and having them go "**** you must have some crazy suspension mods, whats done to it?" and being able to respond "its stock except some adjustable dampers and a front swaybar"

I know exactly what your saying. We had our first auto x here in lincoln, ne in like years and i went to it. Needless to say, there were all these built cars but no one knew how to handle them on the track. Then a couple of stockies would show up and waste everyone. Except for this lotus. That damn thing ate everyone alive. But thats why i want to get into auto x.

[Silver94CelicaOw...]

I think just about the most thorough suspension setup you can buy for racing is as follows-

Great tires (Falken Azenis, Toyo Proxes, etc)
Tein SuperStreet coilovers
Cusco adjustable camber plates
Suspension Techniques sway bars, front and rear
Strut tower bars, front and rear
All new bushings



Lastly what I also feel is important is good brakes to stop the car effectively so that you can transfer weight to the front wheels when you need to transfer the momentum into traction, which is essential when you track a FF vehicle.

My aim is to bring the Celica to some events soon, and have it set to a mildly aggressive street tune that can grip relentlessly and not understeer like a dog when pushed. Fortunately the ability to adjust front and rear shocks on the Teins influences those characteristics quite well for anyone serious about racing. Konis also have this ability which is a huge benefit to racing applications.

[boosted_K2]

I think just about the most thorough suspension setup you can buy for racing is as follows-

Great tires (Falken Azenis, Toyo Proxes, etc)
Tein SuperStreet coilovers
Cusco adjustable camber plates
Suspension Techniques sway bars, front and rear
Strut tower bars, front and rear
All new bushings



Lastly what I also feel is important is good brakes to stop the car effectively so that you can transfer weight to the front wheels when you need to transfer the momentum into traction, which is essential when you track a FF vehicle.

My aim is to bring the Celica to some events soon, and have it set to a mildly aggressive street tune that can grip relentlessly and not understeer like a dog when pushed. Fortunately the ability to adjust front and rear shocks on the Teins influences those characteristics quite well for anyone serious about racing. Konis also have this ability which is a huge benefit to racing applications.

i'd be more inclined to see what exactly john dolecek ran on his STS celica. AFAIK his was the most prepped for autocrossing ive seen of a 6gc, but im sure theres others. likely you dont want/need strut towers bars on both front and rear, and you may not want a certain sway bar... it takes a lot of testing and tuning to figure out exactly what combo you want to run and exactly how you want to run it.

[beno]

what are fender braces?