Within the next 3 years, I'd like to get a 6th gen celica. Options

[DEATH]

Haha, you would be surprised at the amount of 15+ kids talking about how their dream car could kick blah blah blah's car's ass.
I have been checking craigslist just to stay semi-savy.
And yeah, i thought 8k was too much.

Regarding the 3sgte, is it twin turbo charged?
Because theres no way that I would get a single turbo engine.
Turbos lag too much. But from waht I've seen, twin turbos greatly reduce that lag.

Ok you are young so I'm gonna take it easy on you with this one. Twin Turbo is for 6cyl engines and up and even then most of those guys who race eventually upgrade to a larger single turbo [Google Supra single turbo conversion and get ready for retarded amounts of info].
4cyl turbo cars use single turbos but most use more efficient low rpms turbos to minimize lag [From the factory - again most drag racers will upgrade to larger more power producing turbos that consequently have more lag but by that time you know how to keep your car in boost so it's really only an issue in 1st gear. And when the big turbo kicks in - you forget all about lag - trust me]

The car you have chosen [The Celica] came with a CT-26 turbo in the older models and the CT-20b turbo in the 6th gen [Unfortunately not here]. All but the very oldest models use a twin entry Turbo. This turbo is specifically designed to spool almost instantly so lag is not an issue whatsoever on stock turbo. It's a ralley inspired car afterall.

There is more info coming - BRB

No turbo.

WRONG! Oh boy are you wrong.

This post has been edited by DEATH: Nov 11, 2008 - 5:38 PM

[D-Man]

Haha, you would be surprised at the amount of 15+ kids talking about how their dream car could kick blah blah blah's car's ass.
I have been checking craigslist just to stay semi-savy.
And yeah, i thought 8k was too much.

Regarding the 3sge, is it twin turbo charged?
Because theres no way that I would get a single turbo engine.
Turbos lag too much. But from waht I've seen, twin turbos greatly reduce that lag.

Key-word is talking. You sir; are hear Learning

the 3s-ge is a naturaly asperiated car. it has no turbo.
the 3s-gte has a single turbo because there is not enough power to push two turbos.
the 3s-gte did not ever come in a 6gc here in america. Only the JDM GT-Fours had them. the 5th gen's did have 3sgte's, and so did the 2-3rd gen MR2's.
Twin turbo engines will be more likely to lagg than single turbo engines. 3s-gte's do not experience much lagg. If you want a twin turbo, you'd better do it on a V6 or a V8. Otherwise, you'll live the rest of your life in Boost lag.

Read these and absourbe the knowledge like a sponge:

http://www.6gc.net/information
http://auto.howstuffworks.com/turbo.htm
http://auto.howstuffworks.com/supercharger.htm
http://auto.howstuffworks.com/question259.htm (remember that NOS is a brand name, like McDonnalds, You eat a burger, not a franchise You dont put NOS in your engine, NOS puts nitrous oxide in your engine, and Zex is a better brand anyway )
http://www.6gc.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=29705

When you're done, hollar back at us

This post has been edited by D-Man: Nov 11, 2008 - 5:36 PM

[RickJamesBish]

I lied, I read 3S-GE...single turbo.

[D-Man]

I lied, I read 3S-GE...single turbo.

Why would you say that?

READ and LEARN
http://www.6gc.net/information/13
http://www.6gc.net/information/7

[DEATH]

Damn D-Man - most impressive. This is why I never mind answering your questions - you always learn, remember and never ask the same question twice. And you're not afraid to do your homework and pass on the info to other guys like this who are new to the game.

Milk - you want this [Not mine specifically but one like it]:


This post has been edited by DEATH: Nov 11, 2008 - 5:47 PM

[njccmd2002]

http://i352.photobucket.com/albums/r347/DE...08/DSC00355.jpg

I like this

This post has been edited by njccmd2002: Nov 11, 2008 - 5:48 PM

[Milk]

Thanks for the links.
Time to read up.

[RickJamesBish]

READ and LEARN
http://www.6gc.net/information/13
http://www.6gc.net/information/7

But it is a single turbo?

[D-Man]

But it is a single turbo?

That is a picture of a 3sgte. Under that silver heat shield, there is ONE turbo. that is the only turbo on the 3sgte. (most) all 4 cylinder engines cannot handle multiple turbos due to the fact that you'd have to hit like 6000 rpm just to initiate boost. Unless it was 2 insanely small turbo's, but they'd blow out easily (due to the tiny bearing it'd have), and not have a very high maximum due to the fact they'd be so small.

This post has been edited by D-Man: Nov 12, 2008 - 9:48 AM

[RickJamesBish]

So it is one turbo. I correctly corrected myself.

[DEATH]

So it is one turbo. I correctly corrected myself.

No - you said 3S-GE - that's non-turbo. 3S-GTE [Note the T for Turbo right in the engine code] has one dual entry Turbo.

I lied, I read 3S-GE...single turbo.

Why would you say that?

READ and LEARN
http://www.6gc.net/information/13
http://www.6gc.net/information/7

This post has been edited by DEATH: Nov 12, 2008 - 4:56 PM

[RickJamesBish]

I said that I thought he meant 3S-GE, not 3S-GTE. Therefore, me saying no turbo applied to me erroneously thinking 3S-GE. And then I corrected myself.

[D-Man]

okay. we were all confused on what each other said; But we're all clear now:

3s-ge performance engine, non turbo
3s-gte high performance single turbo

This post has been edited by D-Man: Nov 12, 2008 - 5:25 PM

[epocsirhc]

I am 17 and my first car was a 72 Porsche 914. After 7 months of looking I finally found a 97 gt with 85,000 miles fully loaded for six grand. Just to let you know it is an expensive car to insure as well as the initial cost. It is 750 dollars every six months in my dads name so I can only imagine what it would be for me. Just keep looking and good luck.

[RickJamesBish]

My car wasn't that bad to insure, I think around 1300 a year? After good driver's discount and everything else.

Pics of that Porsche? Sick first car.

[97celiman]

damn son...i paid 5.3k for mine with 135,000 miles, fully loaded except cruise control...i hate it when i find out there was a better deal but o well
ps-my first car was a 62 ford falcon...yay carburetors with a manual choke...not

[epocsirhc]

Yeah you would think that since it is a Porsche that it is fast but the celica is quite a bit faster. However the Porsche handles like a dream. It is also running carbs right now. I will try and get some pics up soon.

[97celiman]

ya mine was a single barrel holley...nothing special like less than 100cfm but it was a factory rebuilt spec. i had to get rid of the falcon...i love old cars but not for dd and id need the car plus at LEAST 15k

[Euphoria]

I've heard people on this site get up to 450 000km out of there GT's engine and gearbox and even similar with the ST but Its all up to how its been looked after, if its been driven hard it will last a lot less but probably will still be a long time if serviced well.

Id personally stay below the 200 000km mark just because I wouldn't like getting a high km car from scratch, personally Id go with the GT as even they have a rep for not being a real fast car, they aren't slugs but just not fast compared to other cars in the class, they are comfortable to drive and pull well up hills and still pull well with weight in the car and very fun to drive.

As for things that go wrong its just common things that happen on all older cars really, cv joints, oil leaks, water pump, radiator leaks etc etc.

to turn it into a more fun car then its probably best to start with the suspension, upgraded shocks and springs, sway bars front and back, strut bars etc

both engines that come stock aren't good to mod but early on its worth atleast doing intake as the sound is amazing haha, turbo isn't needed to have fun, even a 3sge non turbo still has a fair bit of power 160-200hp depending on which gen.

[MaskedMan]

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