turbo idea, maybe new stuff Options

[st18]

hey yall i dont know if any one has posted it or not (if they have feel free to hit me up with the normal check the old fourms lol) but i saw this new way of instwlling a turbo. what they do is put the turbo at the tail pipe at the back of the car. u bolt the hot side to the tail pipe with a flange and then run your down pipe directly to the muffler. and on the compressure side u run your piping from the turbo to the throttle body. dont know if you can do the intercooler because the pipe will be so long? only thing is im sure you will have alot of turbo lag. and you run the oil lines like u would with the normal setup (just will need alot of line) and i thought this would be great for people like me with a ST because turbo manifolds are so hard to find. when i come across the money im going to try it but if u have the bank to do it before me let me know how it turns out! it just something i thought would help turn the celica into a hellica

[RickJamesBish]

Something similar was done with the Hennessey Cherokee SRT8.

[njccmd2002]

i think you just blew your engine.

[caszboy]

here is a pic on a corvette



Its not a bad idea as far as some cars go, but from what i have seen it not efficient and cost $$$. I knew a guy who had one on his camaro and he got like 40ish hp out of it or something like that but paid a little over $2000 for the setup. Not very good as far as 'bang for your buck'. I have never seen it on a 4 cylinder before but i would guess the numbers would be worse??? just my .02

[caszboy]

here is another pic and what they claim: (notice no HP numbers) also i have only seen it on RWD cars but it is "universal":







Benefits of STS Remote-Mounted Turbochargers


Lower underhood temperatures. No need to worry about melting wires, hoses, or other engine components, as with a front-mounted turbo.

Ease of installation. STS turbo systems can be installed in about 8 hours with standard tools and average mechanical ability.

Cooler oil to the turbo. Cool oil is better for both the turbo and engine.

Performance Sound. The turbo acts as a muffler and sounds like an aftermarket performance muffler. Turbo spool and rushing air from the blow-off valve make a unique sound that will turn heads!

No need for major modifications to your vehicle. STS systems are designed to "bolt-on" to factory mounts.

Increased gas mileage. Unlike a belt driven supercharger, the turbo utilizes "wasted" energy leaving your tailpipe. Most of our customers get 1-3 mpg increase in gas mileage compared to their original stock mpg numbers.

Converts back to stock in about an hour.

More room under the hood. Future repair work or modifications will not require the expense of removing the turbo system to allow access to engine components.

Lowest Intake Air Temps. Low IAT's equate to more horsepower per pound of boost than any other forced induction option. STS intake piping provides built-in intercooling. Add the optional intercooler, and IAT's drop even further.

Approximately 500F lower turbo temperatures. Eliminates the need for a turbo-timer, which allows the engine to run after the car is shut off in order to cool down the turbo and prevent oil and bearing damage.

Denser exhaust gasses drive the turbo turbine wheel more efficiently.

Turbo is exposed to ambient air rather than underhood air. Allows for better cooling of turbo components.

No need for expensive headers, mufflers, or exhaust systems.

Turbo is closer to the tail pipe outlet. Provides a better pressure differential across the turbine wheel which promotes better flow across turbine.

Better weight transfer. Increases traction because the bulk of system is mounted in rear of vehicle rather than up front.

Less noise and heat in the passenger compartment.

But hey, get it and tell us how it turns out!!!!!

This post has been edited by caszboy: Jan 3, 2009 - 8:45 PM

[st18]

here is a pic on a corvette



Its not a bad idea as far as some cars go, but from what i have seen it not efficient and cost $$$. I knew a guy who had one on his camaro and he got like 40ish hp out of it or something like that but paid a little over $2000 for the setup. Not very good as far as 'bang for your buck'. I have never seen it on a 4 cylinder before but i would guess the numbers would be worse??? just my .02

well i wasnt going to spend 2,000 i was thinking about custom building one after doing some reseach on a turbo thinking maybe a mercedes deisel turbo out of the junk yard and use the stock down pipe and westgate and machining a flange on to the stock ex. pipe and find my injector size from info from the mercedes dealership on the stock injectors output. that way i can maybe try this for under $200 i know it sounds crazy i even think so but if this work out i will be cheap power even if its 40ish.

[SpoonR530]

I like the original thinking. I am not convinced it would be more practical then connecting the turbo to the header but I would love to see one on a 6gc.


CHeck it http://pi.b5z.net/i/u/1473169/f/Press/stshcis.pdf Integra

[njccmd2002]

everyday you learn something new.

[st18]

I like the original thinking. I am not convinced it would be more practical then connecting the turbo to the header but I would love to see one on a 6gc.


CHeck it http://pi.b5z.net/i/u/1473169/f/Press/stshcis.pdf Integra

trust me i like the original idea to i just cant afford it and i drive my car everyday and this something u can do off the car and still be able to drive it. god i sound like im tring to sell it lol!

[soulshadow]

I have seen this been done with a turbo behind the car, it was something called a Turbo MR2.

[st18]

I have seen this been done with a turbo behind the car, it was something called a Turbo MR2.

are you being smart about it or are u being serious? if serious im sorry, but its not the same thing

[playr158]

remote mount turbos have been around for a couple of years. This is more common on corvettes and the like.
you could do it but it would just cost more money in materials to be honest.

[97celiman]

actually the guy on gearz umm stacey david i think, he did this on the new base model corvette and gave it away to lazy to look for a link though

[bslik]

i like the idea and have wondered about it on celicas but seeing that pic of the turbos hanging out under the rear bumper makes me a little scared about theft problems.
it says it can convert back to stock in an hour... therefor park your car at the movie theater, watch your movie and your naturally asperated in about 30 minutes!

[st18]

remote mount turbos have been around for a couple of years. This is more common on corvettes and the like.
you could do it but it would just cost more money in materials to be honest.

really? i guess in just hearing about it, has any one on here done it before? if i do it i promise to have 1/4 mile tickets and dyno charts

i like the idea and have wondered about it on celicas but seeing that pic of the turbos hanging out under the rear bumper makes me a little scared about theft problems.
it says it can convert back to stock in an hour... therefor park your car at the movie theater, watch your movie and your naturally asperated in about 30 minutes!

never thought about that, that would suck man i guess you would have to work up some thing like skid plates or something to hide it

[lagos]

This would totally suck ass on an ST.

[st18]

This would totally suck ass on an ST.

elaborate on that please

[lagos]

Your 1.8l 4cly is going to have a really hard time spooling a turbo thats sitting at your exhaust tip.
A turbo needs heat and energy to do its thing. Some of these cars get away with it because their huge 8cly motors push enough exhaust to do the job, but its still far from optimal.

95st-celica's step dad is doing a remote mounted turbo setup on his v8 el camino, using a huge turbo from a city bus, but was having some issues getting it to spool up.
I'm sure 95st-celica will post up the video when he sees this thread.

This post has been edited by lagos: Jan 4, 2009 - 2:37 AM

[easternpiro1]

not only that, but would it be practical for something you would drive on the street? potholes, and debris hitting it. seems like track use, and like lagos said, dosent seem too efficient for a motor that dosent push out alot of exhaust.

[Fastbird]

It's a good thinking outside of the box idea, and STS has done well with using that idea, but I put zero faith in these remote mounted turbo systems. The vast majority of these cars I've seen with them (I'm talking of V8 Vette's, Camaro's, and Firebirds) have been nothing more than dyno queens. On the street/strip, they've been turds. There's a select few out there that are turning real numbers and times, but those guys have days upon days of tweaking and tuning to get every last little detail working right to make it happen (more than what should be necessary).

The flaws I see in the system:

LOTS of pipes being coupled = LOTS of places for leaks
On a small displacement motor, it will be very hard to get a turbo spooled way back there
Turbo Lag -- I don't care what STS or owners say, you're GOING to get lag with a remote mount. Your exhaust was cooled immensely by the time it gets to where the turbo is/would be, translating into less velocity and slower spool times.
Oil lines running front to back and a potential to fail scavenging pump is absolutely needed
Same for coolant lines if you choose a water cooled turbo
EASILY STOLEN. Given that a 6GC is a recognizable car when turbocharged with the FMIC, if someone takes note that there's a turbo under the back you could easily come out to a much louder and slower car one morning.