Will's Project 5SGTE Options

[Insan3]

i got a quick question on the 5sgte, i know people recommend to use a 98+ block ? any major diffence between the 98 and 93 or even 94 block ?

[scothaniel]

You may want to wait for the HKS gasket. I remember seeing differences in the coolant ports between the TRD, TTE, and Stock 2nd gen gaskets. There may be differences with the HKS gasket as well?

[bccentaur3]

i got a quick question on the 5sgte, i know people recommend to use a 98+ block ? any major diffence between the 98 and 93 or even 94 block ?

You won't know whether you need to drill for coolant passages or not until you open up your motor and compare the head gasket for what motor you will use.

You may want to wait for the HKS gasket. I remember seeing differences in the coolant ports between the TRD, TTE, and Stock 2nd gen gaskets. There may be differences with the HKS gasket as well?

Arent you sending me the stock 3sgte 3rd gen hg? If so that will give me a good idea about the drilling.

[Insan3]

okay thanks dude

[bccentaur3]

Following parts came in.





Still waiting on the rods,pistons, and 3rd gen turbo manifold to come in. I assume the crank is being worked on.

I'm also hoping Scott sent the used HG so I can get the coolant passages lined up and ready for the machinist.

[scothaniel]

I wasn't able to get it shipped out over the weekend, but its boxed and ready to go now. I'll drop it off at the post office tonight.

[bccentaur3]

Don't forget to give me your paypal so I can send you the money. Or I can take the address from the box and send you cash? Let me know.

[bccentaur3]

I got the 3rd gen turbo manifold in today.

[bccentaur3]

And my girl just brought the rods in. My parts go getter lol hahaha



Just waiting on the pistons now and the crank from MCS.

They seem pretty rusty. Is it wise to wd40 these bad boys up?

This post has been edited by bccentaur3: Feb 25, 2009 - 3:47 PM

[presure2]

yup, lube em up will, no problemo.

[bccentaur3]

Okay will do boss.

[bccentaur3]

look what came in today.



just waiting on head gasket so i can mark and drill coolant passages. i have a ct26 i bought for dirt cheap coming in and i will be sending it to ats to do the ct27 or ct26 upgrade. not sure yet. but it will be an upgrade.

could have bought an exhaust for my bike this summer, but i say car first then bike.

[bccentaur3]

And the block I am working with..

[Dragondog]

i am gettin a beams and plan to turbo it im told not good for its high comprssion what do u recomend

[jeffrosie]

You can have the compression lowered by having the pistons skimmed or by fitting a thicker headgasket.

[Smaay]

you bought the 3S rods from that guy on MR2oc. i was going to get them also. i passed on it when i decided to stay stock

[bccentaur3]

I got it from Sang. Did he really post it on MR2OC? I saw it on Celicatech and emailed him right away about it. He had it sitting there for a while because no one jumped on it.

Again I am just waiting on the 3rd gen head gasket from scott so I can use that as a coolant passage drilling template. Once that is complete I'm sending the block out to the machine shop.

[Dragondog]

hey bcc im doing a swap myself but im getting alot tellin me to just go with a 3sgte and not a beams........if u dont mind check out my topic in general called DRAGONDOGS FIRST CAR PIC i want to turbo a beams but ppl say dont that beams aint worth it plz give me ur input

[bccentaur3]

I really don't know much about the beams. I've read that the beams head actually has a different exhaust and intake manifold flange compared to the 3rd gen 3sge. I am using a 3rd gen 3sgte turbo manifold and it should bolt right up to the 3rd gen 3sge head.

If I were to turbo a 3sge, I would do the 3rd gen 3sge. Why? Because the 3rd gen 3sge came with oil squirters. Something the previous gen 3sge motors lacked. It has the same rods and pistons as the 3sgte I would assume. All you have to do is disable the acis system so the turbo won't cause much turbulence.

The beams motor is a great all motor set-up. I would assume the compression ratio in that bad boy is super high. If you want all motor go beams. I'm sure people have turbocharged the beams motor with success, but if you want big power go a different route. The stock motor plus turbo won't do much. Plus you run into EMS. This is what I will be running into as well.

Some may disagree with my choice to go with the stock 3sge ecu plus piggy back of choice emanage ultimate for a build like this, but I am doing it to learn. Besides I'm not gunning for 500 whp YET.. I chose the emu because I am going to run just the upgrade ct-26 or maybe a ct27, not sure yet, but its not going to make a lot of power. I'm hoping for 300 whp this summer. And because of my 300 whp power goals I am sure I don't need a standealone just yet.

Take a look at Mannys set-up. He is using the EMU on his 5sfte set-up and just look at the numbers he is producing. Thats on a stock unopened 5s.

Yes yes the ct26 will poop out on me, but this will only be used for one year. By the summer of 2010 I will be ripping off the head to get it redone so I can make more power, and the obvious will come too. A standealone ems and an upgraded turbo set-up.

But then again I will also use a lot of my money to redo the whole suspension set-up of the car. Again I am not building to go in a straight line. I'm building for rallycrossing purposes.

[Dragondog]

ok well i have a t36 turbo and i suppose its too much for the beams right? so my best bet is to get a 3sgte and rip it apart and go all perforfance or should i just monster up my old 5s