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[delusionz]

Sounds like you want to spend $1000 to get your car from 17 seconds to 16.5 seconds.

[babi_boi]

Sounds like you want to spend $1000 to get your car from 17 seconds to 16.5 seconds.

are you saying it would go from 17 to 16.5 all motor or wit the turbo
cuz if it will only gain .5 wit a turbo then might as well leave it stock and go for visuals

[delusionz]

I'm talking all motor, you made no mention of turbo. Turbo will put you into the 14 second bracket.

[babi_boi]

look up the vemon 400.

so i did a little research and found a venom 400 at "auto anything" on tne net, by the sounds of things it is exactly what i am looking for to start out with
price isn't bad and seems to help out alot, also seems to be easy to install
thanks for the help i think i will get one and see if it is as good as it sounds

[babi_boi]

I'm talking all motor, you made no mention of turbo. Turbo will put you into the 14 second bracket.

at first i wanted to go all motor but like u said alot of money and very little gain so then i thought of a turbo, a couple other ppl suggested it
but now i think i am going to start wit the venom 400 and see where that puts me, it sounds good so i think i will give it a try

[delusionz]

Hmm it sounds gimmicky.

All good in theory, the one thing I have in mind is that it could probably do with a wideband ego sensor input just because the stock ego sensors don't function with high gas flow (ie, wide open throttle operation.)

I'd say go for it though but only for my own curiousity but I do believe that you can't go past a standalone engine computer and professional tuning. Either way it still wont be anything like a turbo but you will knock off a good part of a second from your quarter.

Have you done CAI? A true ram air style CAI will also give you a gain like this.

This post has been edited by delusionz: Mar 1, 2009 - 10:15 PM

[babi_boi]

Hmm it sounds gimmicky.

All good in theory, the one thing I have in mind is that it could probably do with a wideband ego sensor input just because the stock ego sensors don't function with high gas flow (ie, wide open throttle operation.)

I'd say go for it though but only for my own curiousity but I do believe that you can't go past a standalone engine computer and professional tuning. Either way it still wont be anything like a turbo but you will knock off a good part of a second from your quarter.

Have you done CAI? A true ram air style CAI will also give you a gain like this.

ok so it might be a stupid question, but what is a "CAI, i am not sure what you are talking about, sorry
and if i understand this right i should be able to still add a turbo even wit the venom 400 if it is not all it is cracked up to be. i think, again not sure, but that is why i am here, to learn. thanks

[delusionz]

Cold Air Intake, Having either the air filter outside of the engine bay where the air is colder, or by having the air filter in a sealed box with a port piped up to the front bumper (the better way--the ram air way)

Cold air is denser than warm air so more air/fuel mixture is able to be combusted giving extra power. If you have a ram air setup then the air is also pressurised by the forward motion of the car giving an extra turbocharged effect (approximately 1psi can be achieved.)

This post has been edited by delusionz: Mar 2, 2009 - 4:16 AM

[babi_boi]

Cold Air Intake, Having either the air filter outside of the engine bay where the air is colder, or by having the air filter in a sealed box with a port piped up to the front bumper (the better way--the ram air way)

Cold air is denser than warm air so more air/fuel mixture is able to be combusted giving extra power. If you have a ram air setup then the air is also pressurised by the forward motion of the car giving an extra turbocharged effect (approximately 1psi can be achieved.)

oh, ok now i know what you are talking about, i think there is a cold air intake on the car, but it might be a short ram intake, not sure but it is from injen and it is chrome with a big filter on the end (i will have some pics. of the car on here tomorrow) but the filter is still under the hood with all the heat, not extended to the bumper.
can you put the big filters in a sealed box with a port pipe to the bumper? again i will have pics tomorrow so you can see what i am talking about

[presure2]

the venom unit, if you wanna call it that, is a resistor that fools the car into thinking the car is cold at all times, so it dumps more fuel in.

hardly a "performance" mod.

its pretty much a ripoff.

[babi_boi]

the venom unit, if you wanna call it that, is a resistor that fools the car into thinking the car is cold at all times, so it dumps more fuel in.

hardly a "performance" mod.

its pretty much a ripoff.

so if the "venom" is just adding more fuel then wont that drown out some of the spark or something. if the car is getting to much fuel then it shouldnt make the car run better, it would probably make it run funny wouldnt it?

[ZGear]

Depends on the car....some may have initial power, some may not do a thing, and some may lose power. I remember Super Street Mag doing the test for the resistors a while back on a 240sx and a Miata. The Miata lost power, but the 240 gained about 5 to 10 hp. It's wasn't proven that it was going to have the same gain again with another 240 so information wasn't reliable.

Like presure said, hardly a performance mod and not likely gonna have the same performance increase.

This post has been edited by ZGear: Mar 2, 2009 - 9:28 PM

[babi_boi]

Depends on the car....some may have initial power, some may not do a thing, and some may lose power. I remember Super Street Mag doing the test for the resistors a while back on a 240sx and a Miata. The Miata lost power, but the 240 gained about 5 to 10 hp. It's wasn't proven that it was going to have the same gain again with another 240 so information wasn't reliable.

Like presure said, hardly a performance mod and not likely gonna have the same performance increase.

so pretty much it would be just taking a chance on wasting about $300, but i guess if nobody trys it nobody will know, thanks for the replies

[yungnova]

send your camshafts out to webcams and get the 294 regrind. 20+ hp gain.

how much does this cost?

[ksporry]

Babi,

Is your engine a 3S-GE? I got a 94 GT with a 3S-GE engine, and Turboing is not easy on that engine (read the forced induction thread). It involves upping the injectors, intake, exhaust system, turbo, intercooler, oil piping for intercooler, dump valves (note, in the UK blow off valves are illegal for street use. The dump valve must be internal/recirculated to be street legal), fuel controller, ECU replacement... Quite a bit of work, and lot sof money to have it tuned...
Also, a 3S-GE you cannot boost highly, just about 6 psi or so. More will need forged pistons and rods, and ensure your engine is healthy (very important!)
My engine is very healthy. This is also why I use full synthetic oil (halfords own brand, was only 5 GBP more expensive than their own brand semi synth oil). Teh engine sound sa bit more smoothly now...

[babi_boi]

Babi,

Is your engine a 3S-GE? I got a 94 GT with a 3S-GE engine, and Turboing is not easy on that engine (read the forced induction thread). It involves upping the injectors, intake, exhaust system, turbo, intercooler, oil piping for intercooler, dump valves (note, in the UK blow off valves are illegal for street use. The dump valve must be internal/recirculated to be street legal), fuel controller, ECU replacement... Quite a bit of work, and lot sof money to have it tuned...
Also, a 3S-GE you cannot boost highly, just about 6 psi or so. More will need forged pistons and rods, and ensure your engine is healthy (very important!)
My engine is very healthy. This is also why I use full synthetic oil (halfords own brand, was only 5 GBP more expensive than their own brand semi synth oil). Teh engine sound sa bit more smoothly now...

no my motor is a 5s-Fe. i have been driving this car for a while now and it seems to have alot of power for being stock. but still i think i want to have a better motor to start with for a platform "bccentaur3" had mentioned something about a 3s swapp earlier. my question is, is the 3s motor a better platform than the 5s-Fe motor that is in my car now? if so what car can i find a 3s motor in and would it be worth the time and money to get the 3s motor and rip it down to the block and completely redo the whole thing with performance parts. (including the block) Then possibly turbo after it is all built.

[presure2]

browse around the stickys.
the 3sgte is a turbod, performace motor out of the box
there are lots of threads about what it takes, costs, and how to go about it in the forced induction forum.

[babi_boi]

yes i know sorry. after i posted the last one i started to read the forced induction.
now i haven't read all of them just some of them but even if i get the 3s swapp i still want to ugrade the motor.
it was stated earlier that the 3s swapp should take me down to about 14 secs. in the 1/4 mile. so if i rebuild the 3s swapp from bottom up i should get even a better time right

[jimmykay]

before doing anything, set some goals that you want to reach. then it gives you a direction you can head. and then start researching on how you can get there.

your goals can be anything from 'i want to make it a little nicer to drive' all the way to 'i want a 500hp, 10 second quartermile monster' naturally, some goals will cost more than others to reach. and some might not be possible at all. so take a realistic look at what you want and see who else has done similar things and read what has been done before. it'll give you a good launching point. if you're just wanting a 14 second car, first re-read this thread and follow their advice. then you can plan out a course to take.

[babi_boi]

thank you to all who have replied. my goal is to come as close to a 10 sec. car as possible. i know i have alot of research to do and i am going to start.
the car is running strong now and the maintance is really good. so it is no hurry to get there.
even if my car never hits 10 secs. in a 1/4 mile then i wont be dissapointed as long as it is semi close and i am the one to do it all. then at least i will know that whatever it is in the end i can say i did my best and i did it all.
thanks again to all who have replied