Six Speed in a 6GC Options

[99GT]

The U660E is from Japan, and has been put in the late model Toyota Aurion and Lexus ES350 here in Australia.

OK, i am "pretty sure" U660E bolts up to the 3S-GTE:

A 3.5 litre 2GR-FE mates to both the U660E in the Aurion and the U151F in the new Highlander (Kluger).
The U151F will mate to the 2GR-FE as well as the 3.3 Litre 3MZ-FE in the old Highlander.
The 3MZ-FE mates to both the U151F and also to the A541E in the Camry.
The A541E is interchangable with the E153.

It is therefore highly likely that the 3SGTE will mate to the U660E. My main concern is actually whether we can create/aquire adequate brackets and mounts to support the trans in the celica engine bay, and also whether the transmission will actually have room to fit inside.

IF this work, this will be awesome.

[CPleasure]

Thought I'd bring this sucker back =]

was anyone able to make the gears longer on the e153 or s54 like was previous said?

[pittfirefighter]

who needs longer gears in the e153!?!? i hit 110 m/h in 3rd gear! i cruise around at 3000 rpm in fifth going 90+... please EXPLAIN!?

[playr158]

^110 mph is sloow :shhhhhhh:

[presure2]

^110 mph is sloow :shhhhhhh:

in a celica, dan..not a bike..lol
105+mph in 3rd gear, in a celica, is quite fast. trust me, ask jim.

[playr158]

hey my celica rocked 110mph




..down hill, with a tail wind and a girl on her tricycle pushing

This post has been edited by playr158: May 5, 2009 - 9:30 AM

[pittfirefighter]

still didn't answer my question.. lol i wasn't trying to boast... just trying to figure out why people are calling for longer gears in an e153...

[Kwanza26]

still didn't answer my question.. lol i wasn't trying to boast... just trying to figure out why people are calling for longer gears in an e153...

Longer gears utilize engine torque better for acceleration... shorter gears utilize horsepower and engine speed. If you have an abundance of low-mid range torque, longer gears will keep you in your power band longer.

Anyway... yeah... The 2010 camrys are set to have a 6 speed manual and auto on the 4 banger... which is the AZ engine family... which came with a variant of the E seires trans if I remember correctly. A new possibility for the S series people perhaps?

This post has been edited by Kwanza26: May 6, 2009 - 12:13 PM

[Fastbird]

still didn't answer my question.. lol i wasn't trying to boast... just trying to figure out why people are calling for longer gears in an e153...

Longer gears utilize engine torque better for acceleration... shorter gears utilize horsepower and engine speed. If you have an abundance of low-mid range torque, longer gears will keep you in your power band longer.

I think your thinking is a little backwards there. Gearing has nothing to do with HP. The reason gearing affects acceleration is because of the torque multiplication effect they have by keeping the car in the powerband. Typically you'll find that the shorter the gearing the better the acceleration. This holds especially true for high revving vehicles because you NEED to be higher in the RPM's to effectively utilize your power. On the other side, a vehicle that's got an abundance of power will typically be able to use a lower gear ratio because it's depending on output to move the vehicle and doesn't need to torque multiplication crutch to get it moving.

Case in point, the 6GC. Stock, it needs the gear ratios found in the 5 speed to get it moving quickly. However, with a 3S-GTE swap, this becomes a hinderance because you end up with a higher torque multiplication factor, thus can pretty much at will break the tires free as well as if you do manage to keep traction, you scream straight through your powerband and have to find another gear.

This post has been edited by Fastbird: May 6, 2009 - 12:44 PM

[alltracman78]

Anyway... yeah... The 2010 camrys are set to have a 6 speed manual and auto on the 4 banger... which is the AZ engine family... which came with a variant of the E seires trans if I remember correctly. A new possibility for the S series people perhaps?

No, the AZ has a totally different bolt pattern for the bell housing.
The internals may be similar, and work, but the transmission itself will need a custom bell housing or an adapter to work.

[92-gt]

hey my celica rocked 110mph




..down hill, with a tail wind and a girl on her tricycle pushing

I just laughed so hard!!!!!

I have heard a lot of people ask about using the 6sp out of the 7th gens for their "s" series engines. I have always been told that it is not really worth the hassel at all.

Now using it with an "a" series engine I heard was possible, but there would be some modification needed.

[Draku]

I had a lot of fun with my old camry 1991 se 5 speed manual, so i'm thinking about a tranny swap for a celica 1994 gt-s. I'm looking to drop my fifth gear rpm.
but i dont know the gear ratio difference and the model #, can you help me on this? and is it a good idea? and will it fit?

This post has been edited by Draku: May 8, 2009 - 1:30 AM

[terbear4god4life]

i hit 120..... and woulda keep going if i had balls