Anyone Experience this??, Manual Tranny Shifting Problem Options

[Fastbird]

My issue was that I wasn't getting the clutch all teh way in. I found that if I concentrated on it I had no problem ripping off a full bore powershift without any issues.

[easternpiro1]

My issue was that I wasn't getting the clutch all teh way in. I found that if I concentrated on it I had no problem ripping off a full bore powershift without any issues.

oh i see! im thinking my problem is a mixture of both. my clutch is pretty hard and i find that i have to push down real hard to engage, but it still feels kind of mushy when i try to put the gear in place.

[Fastbird]

My issue was that I wasn't getting the clutch all teh way in. I found that if I concentrated on it I had no problem ripping off a full bore powershift without any issues.

oh i see! im thinking my problem is a mixture of both. my clutch is pretty hard and i find that i have to push down real hard to engage, but it still feels kind of mushy when i try to put the gear in place.

Have you tried to raise the pedal a little so you get some extra throw on the piston??? That might help you out. It might not be disengaging all the way causing it to feel odd as you put it in gear. Does the tach jump when you put it in any of the gears?

[easternpiro1]

My issue was that I wasn't getting the clutch all teh way in. I found that if I concentrated on it I had no problem ripping off a full bore powershift without any issues.

oh i see! im thinking my problem is a mixture of both. my clutch is pretty hard and i find that i have to push down real hard to engage, but it still feels kind of mushy when i try to put the gear in place.

Have you tried to raise the pedal a little so you get some extra throw on the piston??? That might help you out. It might not be disengaging all the way causing it to feel odd as you put it in gear. Does the tach jump when you put it in any of the gears?

im thinking the pedal is pretty high already. but i really think its the syncros because i havent even been able to get into second even going slow now. i will try the syncromesh then see, and i will also check the connections again... i may be missing something. a friend of mine told me i have a lot of play in a mechanism that attatches one cable to the tranny on the rear side. (idk what its called though )

[808celica]

Hmmm mushy?? like the shifter isnt entering the shift gate??? Hey same problem as me

[DEATH]

Guys both of you sound like you have a stretched shifter cable to me [the same one from the sounds of it].
Piro - did you only change the one broken cable or both before when you ad this problem?

[easternpiro1]

I havent changed anything, they are the cables that i got from prodigy 515 while my car was in the shop. he needed the d 153 cables i had and i needed the GT cables he had. car was fine until recently.


I recently noticed that 2nd and 4th are the ones giving me trouble while i am accelerating ESPECIALLY 2ND. they only respond when i am going slow. and in first sometimes i have to force it in. after i have been driving a while i have to just skip 2nd gear because it wont go in. Doc told me to take the cables off and manually shift the tranny with my hand to determine if it is the cables or the tranny before i go trying to put in some syncromesh lube. (i dont know how to do this, but imma learn though! )

Hmmm mushy?? like the shifter isnt entering the shift gate??? Hey same problem as me

and the shift gate? you mean the plastic piece that the actual shifter is connected to right? right where the two cables are held in place by the white plastic and a u shaped metal washer? i saw that one cable was getting past that, so i pushed the u washer in but it continued ugh if its not one thing its another lol.

[808celica]

no no. the feeling that the trans actually locks in the gear. here try this, unhook the shifter cables inside the engine bay, have someone play around with the stick, by putting it in all gears. look and the cables if there is enough movement like 3/4in to 1in (dunno if thats too long). look for movement, i guess you have to use your judgement if its enought to pull and push the actual part that's selecting the gears.

IIRC but pushing the lever towards the trans mount is 2nd and pushing it towards the intake manifold is 1st. Before you do that have someone shift into all gears and see how the arms and cables move.

[808celica]

from inside the car looking at the shifter the left cable(closest to your leg) should just control the left to right movement of the stick and the cable that is on the right(passenger side) controls the actual selection of 1-2-3-4-5- R.

Yups Matt we have the same problem with the same symptoms.

Piro you'll notice if you drive more you will lose ALL GEARS!!! and you wont be able to get out of it it happened to me while slowing down for a speed bump, i had to pull on the side and force the gear selector arm in the bay into neutral. Hahaha and the other time at the light, i had to launch in 3rd gear T___T


This post has been edited by 808celica: Jul 17, 2009 - 8:25 PM

[808celica]

try this too:
-grab a 2nd person
-have a 2nd thats hold the stick in the gear that's always mushy
-it shouldn't go into gear and have the feeling of "emptyness"
-you go in the bay and pushing the gear selector (the upper one, not the one thats on an L arm) towards the trans mount
-your 2nd should notice the feeling of the stick entering 2nd gear

-your 2nd should be able to push it into neutral
-then have him/her put the stick in neutral again
-if there's still the mushy empty feel the yes we have the same problem

*ehem waiting for my cables

[easternpiro1]

imma try that sunday! doc told me to do the same thing... BOY i sure hope its my cables and not syncros! but i hear that i would be grinding if my syncros were bad. if it is my cables, what would cause them to go bad?

This post has been edited by easternpiro1: Jul 18, 2009 - 2:57 AM

[pittfirefighter]

hey maybe this will help you out... i have an e153 tranny... i had the EXACT same problem about... 2 months ago... it started with hard shifts out of 1st into 2nd at WOT... it just wouldn't go... i had to POP it out of gear and wait for RPM's to settle before moving it into second... thats how it started... i took it all over trying to figure out what was wrong... now i have a competition clutch stage 4 six puck from tweak... so i got used to not throttling it hard... well next the clutch pedal started sticking at high rpms... i would go to shift and the pedal would still be on the floor... then it got worse and worse... lower and lower rpms the pedal would stick... so i changed the slave cylinder.... BAM! shifts smooth as butter... loved it... week later... slave went bad again ... so at this point i had the problem narrowed down... i went ahead and replaced everything... slave, master, hydraulic lines... and even got myself an extended pushrod made for the e153... havent had a single problem since then... just something to keep in mind if it gets worse or if anyone has the same problems in the future

[808celica]

imma try that sunday! doc told me to do the same thing... BOY i sure hope its my cables and not syncros! but i hear that i would be grinding if my syncros were bad. if it is my cables, what would cause them to go bad?

maybe just old age?? i dont know wondering myself

if your synchros are bad you wont be able to put it in gear on or off.

[easternpiro1]

hiya guys, me and a friend tried some of the stuff suggested i went through all gears, checked what was going in, and did it manually it SEEMED as if the gears all went in when done inside the engine bay. but it goes into all gears when the car isnt moving without problems. i noticed that i can get into the upper gears with NO problem (3rd and 5th) and the bottom three (2nd 4th and reverse) are giving me trouble (reverse just started refusing to go in just as the others). the gears do not grind AT ALL, and the fact that when i pull back on the stick and get problems makes me think shifter cables not reaching far enough, but next im going to try syncro mesh. im thinking something is getting caught but i cant see it! i will try to find some time later this week to double and triple check everything as im SURE i overlooked something! i jus tdont want to spend 300 bucks for cables and find out its something else.

I also noticed that a cotter pin was not in the mechanism near the L arm, thought that would fix the problem as it was getting too much play, but no dice

This post has been edited by easternpiro1: Jul 19, 2009 - 11:37 PM

[808celica]

Another thing could be is if our shifter needs to be shimmed right. I don't really care for money and the cables, I just need the car up cuz I hate asking for the truck or van. Car is gonna be sold anyways(or atleast when someone has the money).

[netrata]

Another thing could be is if our shifter needs to be shimmed right. I don't really care for money and the cables, I just need the car up cuz I hate asking for the truck or van. Car is gonna be sold anyways(or atleast when someone has the money).

Just keep your car.

[808celica]

Another thing could be is if our shifter needs to be shimmed right. I don't really care for money and the cables, I just need the car up cuz I hate asking for the truck or van. Car is gonna be sold anyways(or atleast when someone has the money).

Just keep your car.

Hahaha only you, me, and the 2 brandons (full exterior gtfour conversion) now

[easternpiro1]

i went in there and messed around some more. i was alone so i couldnt tell which gear was which when i was switching them from the engine bay but i did notice 2 things...

for one: the cable seems to become unsheathed about 4-5 inches before the cable goes into the bracket in the engine bay (i noticed that the cable had a stray thread or two, not broken mind you, just not wrapped as tight as the rest of the cable threads.

two: the cable that attatches to the L shaped arm looks like it can easily bump into the device that switches the gears... idk if ya'll know what i mean, will take pics when i get off work...

im still sort of stumped but its a learning process so i appreciate all the feedback!

[808celica]

i know what you mean. yeah mines is unsheathed about 2in's also. the cable on the bell crank bracket only justifies the left to right movement of the shifter. at one time my bushings wore out and i could shake the shifter left to right while its in gear. pretty scary when driving too

changed the whole bracket and bushings and its all good there. my cables got shipped and should be here. i looked under herosblade's car while doing his axle change. it seems all too easy to change the cables. i'll let you know Piro if that doesnt fix.

im pretty confident though that it will, if your synchros are bad you wont be able to put it in gear when its off or on.

[easternpiro1]

i know what you mean. yeah mines is unsheathed about 2in's also. the cable on the bell crank bracket only justifies the left to right movement of the shifter. at one time my bushings wore out and i could shake the shifter left to right while its in gear. pretty scary when driving too

changed the whole bracket and bushings and its all good there. my cables got shipped and should be here. i looked under herosblade's car while doing his axle change. it seems all too easy to change the cables. i'll let you know Piro if that doesnt fix.

im pretty confident though that it will, if your synchros are bad you wont be able to put it in gear when its off or on.

ah! my shifter is VERY loose when not in gear i can move it left and right easily!

and BTW... i forgot to mention that i can shift that $#!T into gear without the clutch when the car was off!! i didnt realize that!!!

and thanks 808, can you take a pic of where u changed the bushings at and the bell crank bracket?

This post has been edited by easternpiro1: Jul 21, 2009 - 7:15 PM