might keep my car so what upgrades next, How long does a gallon of meth last? Options

[mk7celica]

I have my car for sale and did not have much intrest. So I might keep it. If so I have some money saved to mod my car. I had a ct20b installed not to long ago. Not sure If I should get a bigger turbo and aem fic? Or keep the ct20b and get a aem fic with 3 bar map fuel rail and bigger injectors? I want 325 to the wheels and I have added everything I could to my 2nd gen and I am at the fuel systems limits. Suspension is done so I am good there. Any ideas

This post has been edited by mk7celica: Sep 17, 2009 - 9:08 PM

[domyz]

if you have 440cc, then upgrade.

540cc do the job to 320whp, they can hold AFR still rich at 21psi at their limit

Get colder spark plugs NGK BKR7E, 540cc or more, standalone system, boost controller, 3" exhaust line, apexi power intake or hks superpower(smthing like that), and get a tune at 11,5:1 AFR at 20 or 21psi
you will have 320whp but don't daily drive that on a ct20b, especially on a ceramic turbine

This post has been edited by domyz: Sep 12, 2009 - 6:37 PM

[mk7celica]

only thing I dont have is a ems fuel rail an injectors and afr gauge. exhaust an everything else i have

[domyz]

you are 2000$ before your next safe HP increase

[lagos]

Cam gears, Alcohol injection, Safc and dyno tuning.

[presure2]

Cam gears, Alcohol injection, Safc and dyno tuning.

he dont need any of that stuff, art, he ran 13.3!
http://www.mr2oc.com/showthread.php?t=364983 (post #5, my reply in post #35 is classic)

[lagos]

Cam gears, Alcohol injection, Safc and dyno tuning.

he dont need any of that stuff, art, he ran 13.3!
http://www.mr2oc.com/showthread.php?t=364983 (post #5, my reply in post #35 is classic)

LoL. thats epic.
I wouldn't mind the BSing, if he didn't try to insult our community for not being into the 11s, when he himself hasn't even broken into 13s.

[mk7celica]

I did run a 1.3 2 weeks ago on less boost than you presure2. And I do need new stuff because 13.3 well in you eyes manny must be the bomb but here is a wakeup call manny mid 13's are slow. I have $3000 saved for upgrades or to get a mr2. I probaly will but it in me celica so I can be the 1st 6gc swapped 3sgte into the 12's then maybe manny will get off his high horse. 13.6 slow 13.3 slow THINK ABOUT It. Basically manny your stuck in the stone age as far as making your celica faster. I have less bost and mods than you and I am faster oh and dont blame it on your driving your older than been driving longer and had your car longer. Also It would be nice if you reframe from posting on other sites that I am on It just makes You look like a asz..

Oh and this thread/post probily will be closed since you close very post I open because you king manny of 6gc.net

[mk7celica]

And I did not put the 6cg community down I just said ather front wheel drive cars get into the 11's-12's all the time with the same amount of hp most of the celicas on here have. So why cant a 6gc celica get into the 11's. No one has tried and manny thinks 13.6 is fast. You would get smoked by every car around here if you think 13.6 is fast.

[_Jim_]

Back on topic to your original question.

If you are looking for your next upgrade....you are looking at spending some serious money. This is the biggest draw back from the GEN2 3sgte, is the 440cc injectors. They limit your basic modding bolt ons fairly quickly (around 300whp).

You NEED bigger injectors, and there are only 2 proven ways of achieving this on a GEN2 3sgte. You can go with the ATS rom tune, 550cc injector, and turbo package (GT3071 or TD06) or you can step up to a full standalong ECU, bigger injectors, and larger turbo.

If you are also looking to improve your times in the 1320, you will see MASSIVE gains in upgrading to an LSD E153. You will see such larger improvements for a few reasons:
Longer gears
Better traction due to LSD transmission
And you can cage the axles to run slicks SAFELY.

A bit off topic....but in line with your drive to running faster times:

The problem with nobody running times sub 13's on the FWD Celica is there arent many people actually interested in running that fast and/or they dont have the funds. the majority of this site are young kids which usually goes hand in hand with no money.

I know I would love to see some Celicas into the 12's and faster, but it wont be common at best. You must remember that in order for a Celica to get into the high 13's low 14's they already have about 4-5000$ invested into there cars whether it be swap or 5sfte. To take the next step of dropping even more money to drop into the 12 or 11 second range is a BIG step for most. Its not that the Celica cant get into the 12sec range...it just most dont have the desire and/or the funds to do so.

Based off my power of 330whp at 21psi, I have enough power to run in the 12's EASILY with my car IF I can pull off a 2.0sec 60ft or better (I wouldnt plan on better tho ).

Its only a matter on time before you see Celica diving into the 12's and 11's.....trust me .

[_Jim_]

other then the beef you and Manny have, there is no reason this thread should be closed or deleted....it could use some cleaning of the nonsense tho

[SwissFerdi]

Back on topic to your original question.

If you are looking for your next upgrade....you are looking at spending some serious money. This is the biggest draw back from the GEN2 3sgte, is the 440cc injectors. They limit your basic modding bolt ons fairly quickly (around 300whp).

You NEED bigger injectors, and there are only 2 proven ways of achieving this on a GEN2 3sgte. You can go with the ATS rom tune, 550cc injector, and turbo package (GT3071 or TD06) or you can step up to a full standalong ECU, bigger injectors, and larger turbo.

If you are also looking to improve your times in the 1320, you will see MASSIVE gains in upgrading to an LSD E153. You will see such larger improvements for a few reasons:
Longer gears
Better traction due to LSD transmission
And you can cage the axles to run slicks SAFELY.

A bit off topic....but in line with your drive to running faster times:

The problem with nobody running times sub 13's on the FWD Celica is there arent many people actually interested in running that fast and/or they dont have the funds. the majority of this site are young kids which usually goes hand in hand with no money.

I know I would love to see some Celicas into the 12's and faster, but it wont be common at best. You must remember that in order for a Celica to get into the high 13's low 14's they already have about 4-5000$ invested into there cars whether it be swap or 5sfte. To take the next step of dropping even more money to drop into the 12 or 11 second range is a BIG step for most. Its not that the Celica cant get into the 12sec range...it just most dont have the desire and/or the funds to do so.

Based off my power of 330whp at 21psi, I have enough power to run in the 12's EASILY with my car IF I can pull off a 2.0sec 60ft or better (I wouldnt plan on better tho ).

Its only a matter on time before you see Celica diving into the 12's and 11's.....trust me .

Have you made any attempts at breaking 12's, or is it postponed because your car is down?

[_Jim_]

I have not attempted any track times with my car as for the obvious reasons of wating for parts to come in....but the 6GC is essentially a Srt4 or Honda running an MR2 drivetrain. Srt4's and Honda's are capable of cutting 2.0 or better 60ft times with a PROPERLY setup up car. I have made ALL the provisions, and Shannon also, that are physically possible to help the FWD Celica cut decent 60ft times....so I am eagerly awaiting next track season to see what my setup will put down.

As for now, I can only compare my setup to an Mr2 (same Drivetrain, and similar motor, but the 6GC tends to be a fair bit lighter) cutting a 2.0 or WORSE 60ft time. And based off my OLD numbers of 330whp at 21psi....I have enough power to EASILY be WELL into the 12's. An Mr2 running this kind of power is in the low 12's to high 11's cutting around a 2.0 60ft time, so it is a fair comparison. We will just have to wait for the next track season to actually verify.

You will be seeing both me AND Shannon posting up some much deserved times (both for us and the community as a whole) next track season.

[SwissFerdi]

Can't wait.

But would the MR2 in fact have a faster 60 ft. time since it can launch better?

[presure2]

I did run a 1.3 2 weeks ago on less boost than you presure2. And I do need new stuff because 13.3 well in you eyes manny must be the bomb but here is a wakeup call manny mid 13's are slow. I have $3000 saved for upgrades or to get a mr2. I probaly will but it in me celica so I can be the 1st 6gc swapped 3sgte into the 12's then maybe manny will get off his high horse. 13.6 slow 13.3 slow THINK ABOUT It. Basically manny your stuck in the stone age as far as making your celica faster. I have less bost and mods than you and I am faster oh and dont blame it on your driving your older than been driving longer and had your car longer. Also It would be nice if you reframe from posting on other sites that I am on It just makes You look like a asz..

Oh and this thread/post probily will be closed since you close very post I open because you king manny of 6gc.net

your so smart, do you fail to realize that i dont even have a 3sgte?? if it were about how much boost i want to run, or the track time i want to run, i certainly wouldnt be running a 5sfte.
i dont care how much boost you run, or what your times are. lol
i dont get where you get off saying for ME to come off my high horse, when your the one trying to bull**** on other forums.
i've said it forever here, and everyone that knows me has heard me say it.
im just a dude, with a car. hell, it isnt even MINE, its my wifes. mine is a stock, multicolored POS.
and just FYI, your right, 13.6 IS slow, and ive said it many times since i ran it..at least im not going around saying i ran faster than what i actually have.
ill stay stuck in the stone age, with my 300whp 5sfte, if it means dealing with meatballs like you. if i wanted alot more than that, i'd just swap to a 3rd or 4th gen 3sgte, and actually be able to select the parts and build and tune it myself.
and about my driving, if you knew me at all, you would know i am the first to say i am not the greatest driver by far, and my times reflect that.
hell, my wife normally runs faster than me at the track.
im done here.

[_Jim_]

Yes, an Mr2 can launch MUCHHHH Harder then a FWD 6GC EVER can.....but I was strictly comparing my power numbers to those of MR2's running with the same OR LESS power running 2.0sec or WORSE 60ft times...since a properly setup Celica should be able to regularly achieve a 2.0sec or BETTER 60ft.....just ask Matt (Death) on this site. He has cut a 2.0sec 60ft time regularly on his GEN2 swap running an S54 non lsd transmission, no coil overs, and no slicks......

[mk7celica]

Back on topic to your original question.

If you are looking for your next upgrade....you are looking at spending some serious money. This is the biggest draw back from the GEN2 3sgte, is the 440cc injectors. They limit your basic modding bolt ons fairly quickly (around 300whp).

You NEED bigger injectors, and there are only 2 proven ways of achieving this on a GEN2 3sgte. You can go with the ATS rom tune, 550cc injector, and turbo package (GT3071 or TD06) or you can step up to a full standalong ECU, bigger injectors, and larger turbo.

If you are also looking to improve your times in the 1320, you will see MASSIVE gains in upgrading to an LSD E153. You will see such larger improvements for a few reasons:
Longer gears
Better traction due to LSD transmission
And you can cage the axles to run slicks SAFELY.

A bit off topic....but in line with your drive to running faster times:

The problem with nobody running times sub 13's on the FWD Celica is there arent many people actually interested in running that fast and/or they dont have the funds. the majority of this site are young kids which usually goes hand in hand with no money.

I know I would love to see some Celicas into the 12's and faster, but it wont be common at best. You must remember that in order for a Celica to get into the high 13's low 14's they already have about 4-5000$ invested into there cars whether it be swap or 5sfte. To take the next step of dropping even more money to drop into the 12 or 11 second range is a BIG step for most. Its not that the Celica cant get into the 12sec range...it just most dont have the desire and/or the funds to do so.

Based off my power of 330whp at 21psi, I have enough power to run in the 12's EASILY with my car IF I can pull off a 2.0sec 60ft or better (I wouldnt plan on better tho ).

Its only a matter on time before you see Celica diving into the 12's and 11's.....trust me .

Have you made any attempts at breaking 12's, or is it postponed because your car is down?

Cars running just no perfect at high boost but Its gotta be I am running out of fuel

[mk7celica]

I have not attempted any track times with my car as for the obvious reasons of wating for parts to come in....but the 6GC is essentially a Srt4 or Honda running an MR2 drivetrain. Srt4's and Honda's are capable of cutting 2.0 or better 60ft times with a PROPERLY setup up car. I have made ALL the provisions, and Shannon also, that are physically possible to help the FWD Celica cut decent 60ft times....so I am eagerly awaiting next track season to see what my setup will put down.

As for now, I can only compare my setup to an Mr2 (same Drivetrain, and similar motor, but the 6GC tends to be a fair bit lighter) cutting a 2.0 or WORSE 60ft time. And based off my OLD numbers of 330whp at 21psi....I have enough power to EASILY be WELL into the 12's. An Mr2 running this kind of power is in the low 12's to high 11's cutting around a 2.0 60ft time, so it is a fair comparison. We will just have to wait for the next track season to actually verify.

You will be seeing both me AND Shannon posting up some much deserved times (both for us and the community as a whole) next track season.

Sounds good I am going to the track again oct 4th and plan to run 17lbs maybe a little less because of the power los an I may be running out of fuel. When I ran the 13.3 2 weeks ago it was at night alot cooler weather and the boost was at 16lbsish and it did not cut out or had no power loss. Maybe because of the cooler air and I may be getting heat soaked. Because at the rtack it did not do it but the car was sitting and was pretty cooled off in between races. But the funny thing on the way home I experienced the power loss hesitation the whole way home. I dont get it unless its the heat saok

Can't wait.

But would the MR2 in fact have a faster 60 ft. time since it can launch better?

My best 60 ft 2 weeks ago was 2.2 60 ft. I noticed it took me a few runs to feather the clutch to where it dont spin in 1st and 2nd gear. I was suprised when I saw my 6oft in the 13.3 run because it was the best I ever had in this car. That may have contibuted to the better 1/4 mile tim I had. On the old ct26 and at stock boost I had 2.5 60ft on average

[mk7celica]

Yes, an Mr2 can launch MUCHHHH Harder then a FWD 6GC EVER can.....but I was strictly comparing my power numbers to those of MR2's running with the same OR LESS power running 2.0sec or WORSE 60ft times...since a properly setup Celica should be able to regularly achieve a 2.0sec or BETTER 60ft.....just ask Matt (Death) on this site. He has cut a 2.0sec 60ft time regularly on his GEN2 swap running an S54 non lsd transmission, no coil overs, and no slicks......

Yea a 60ft time has a good amount to do with a 1/4mile time, but I noticed My car has a fairly good low end but once I hit 80 or so the top end has less pull and power compared to the low end. I need a turbo that will pull good in low end and top end. If I can get a better top end I think I can be in thehigh 12's. And also I changed the tires for the last 13.3 quarter mile run to small slicks but there more of a slick for auto cross. It helped alot usually I would spin the hole 60ft now it spun have as much

[_Jim_]

Be very careful if you think you are running out of fuel at 17psi. Do you have a wideband in the car? If not, before you continue to run at or above 17psi.....run over to the dyno and do a few pulls to check your AFR's If your AFR's are below 12:1 then you fuel is not your issue.