Beams question Options

[Tony-B]

Aftermarket parts for the red top Beams are hard enough to come by, try rhdjapan, bidjdm, nengun and perfectrun.jp.

Just remember it is an N/A engine, tuning will be expensive.

T

[BonzaiCelica]

no not all of you. only some nvm sorry for saying that.

[Ted95]

Aftermarket parts for the red top Beams are hard enough to come by, try rhdjapan, bidjdm, nengun and perfectrun.jp.

Just remember it is an N/A engine, tuning will be expensive.

T

ya i only want headers for it basically.. the motor is pretty bomb as it is, i would just think with a decent set of headers it would b better lol.. my ebay headers brought my 5s to live a lil bit so i would figure headers would b good on the BEAMS too

[BonzaiCelica]

nope no header for the 4th gen redtop beams engine. custom made is the only way!

oh and another question, will the celica with the redtop vs the mr2 g-limited that comes with the redtop as well produce the same amount of hp on the dyno.

I would think that the mr2 might produce a few more hp than the celica?

This post has been edited by BonzaiCelica: Feb 8, 2010 - 11:01 PM

[Rusty]

oh alright, see i didnt kno that.. and vvti acts as vtec too doesnt it.. like it will kick in in high range rpms?

nope, vvt-i does not act the same way as vtech. info about V systems

is there a aftermarket header for the retop beams? ive searched on the internet all day and all night and cant seem to find anything.. ive seen some "3sge" motors w headers but not BEAMS..

The only one I've seen available was called a "Phoenix's exhaust manifold" and as far as I know it's quite rare.



3S-GE's come with factory toyota extractors/headers which are very good flow well and dont have much restriction, Expect to gain ~12kw with a well thought out exhaust system, the full benefits come from head work & reprogrammable ecu's

oh and another question, will the celica with the redtop vs the mr2 g-limited that comes with the redtop as well produce the same amount of hp on the dyno.

I would think that the mr2 might produce a few more hp than the celica?

IMO they should have the same, however there are a number of factors which could influnance the results, including the accuracy of the dyno.

This post has been edited by Rusty: Feb 9, 2010 - 1:47 AM

[Edophus]

The blacktop beams is the best version of the beams, it has slightly more compression, larger valves and a higher volume oil pump and has a slightly higher redline as stock. But its configured for rwd so the water outlets different as is the headgasket and oilpickup/sump so these would need to be swapped, as would the intake and exhaust manifolds, all for redtop parts. The first problem you'd face putting it in a 6th gen is that the exhaust vvti controller wont clear the engine mount. Its so much extra work to swap in than just a redtop that you'd have to be mad to try it, like me i'm putting one into a 5th gen, but we dont have the problem of the engine mount clashing and i got my engine really cheap so its not any different to me having bought a redtop by the time i've swapped all the parts over.

This post has been edited by Edophus: Feb 9, 2010 - 11:59 AM

[BonzaiCelica]

btw for some of you that think that pheonix header is the name brand of the header. Pheonix is a guy on the mr2 forums that had created custome made header as a group buy and they cost everyone around $800. It mainly just for looks id say, might squeeze a few extra hp with a custom made header with no head work done to the engine.

and really you say 20 extra hp with an aftermarket stand alone ecu no way!

[Ted95]

those are some bada$$ lookin headers, whether they r for looks or not they look sick... im just going to do a redtop swap once a get about another ~300 .. i want to do it prob around july i would hope, if i can find one in my price range by then, they arent to bad for prices..

but would i have to change my motor mounts or could i use my 5s motor mounts? IFF i can use my 5s motor mounts ill replace them with new ones, im not to sure if theres a difference or not..(still doing my research on this swap) .. like the gauage cluster PROB gunna need a new one of those that takes me to 7250redline

[njccmd2002]

we are running out of reds. they are selling like candy.

better get yours now///

[Ted95]

can i use the stock GT 5speed shifter box and conect that to the 3sge shifter cables and tranny? or is there a slight difference?

[Batman722]

I drive a Beams and I drive an st205 motor every other day.
There is no comparison.
The Beams is fun but the 205 pwns all.

[pasqual]

nope no header for the 4th gen redtop beams engine. custom made is the only way!

my custom

[Ted95]

I drive a Beams and I drive an st205 motor every other day.
There is no comparison.
The Beams is fun but the 205 pwns all.

lol i kno manny tells me all the time. idk im just not sure of the 205 would work for me in my situation, its my daily, i drive ALL over all the time and i live in east bumfcuk lol takes me 25min to fall river and almsot 30min to dartmouth bc i live on the water. manny says theres not a big difference in gas between the beams and the 205 but i still dk the numbers on wat ppl get to a tank (and ik it depends on my right foot too lol)

honestly this is my goal.. to have a car that looks good (which is easy bc celicas r friggin sexy) and to have somethin that gets up and go wen i need it to but still drives normal. i read ur 205 build thread and i seen wat went wrong with the car w ur axels and stuff idk, jus seems like i would b fixing alot of things that i cant afford.

I JUST WANT TO BEAT HONDASSSSS!!!!!!! lmfao

wats ur opinion then?

[njccmd2002]

nothinig sexier that a reb beams in a black engine bay!!!

[presure2]

I drive a Beams and I drive an st205 motor every other day.
There is no comparison.
The Beams is fun but the 205 pwns all.

lol i kno manny tells me all the time. idk im just not sure of the 205 would work for me in my situation, its my daily, i drive ALL over all the time and i live in east bumfcuk lol takes me 25min to fall river and almsot 30min to dartmouth bc i live on the water. manny says theres not a big difference in gas between the beams and the 205 but i still dk the numbers on wat ppl get to a tank (and ik it depends on my right foot too lol)

honestly this is my goal.. to have a car that looks good (which is easy bc celicas r friggin sexy) and to have somethin that gets up and go wen i need it to but still drives normal. i read ur 205 build thread and i seen wat went wrong with the car w ur axels and stuff idk, jus seems like i would b fixing alot of things that i cant afford.

I JUST WANT TO BEAT HONDASSSSS!!!!!!! lmfao

wats ur opinion then?

lmao.
the problem dustin had with his axle was because of the hybrid axles. you would more than likely be using the stock S54.
the reliability is equal between both motors, man. turbo or not, your gonna have to play under the hood from time to time.
its part of ANY swap.
repeat that. over and over.
forget the thought that if you do an N/A swap, all your problems go away.
if you plan things out properly, take your time, and do it right, any swap you do will be just as reliable as the 5s thats in your car now.
it cracks me up that your worried about gas milage, but at the same time, you "just want to beat hondas"...and drove a mustang V6 before this car.

[Ted95]

I drive a Beams and I drive an st205 motor every other day.
There is no comparison.
The Beams is fun but the 205 pwns all.

lol i kno manny tells me all the time. idk im just not sure of the 205 would work for me in my situation, its my daily, i drive ALL over all the time and i live in east bumfcuk lol takes me 25min to fall river and almsot 30min to dartmouth bc i live on the water. manny says theres not a big difference in gas between the beams and the 205 but i still dk the numbers on wat ppl get to a tank (and ik it depends on my right foot too lol)

honestly this is my goal.. to have a car that looks good (which is easy bc celicas r friggin sexy) and to have somethin that gets up and go wen i need it to but still drives normal. i read ur 205 build thread and i seen wat went wrong with the car w ur axels and stuff idk, jus seems like i would b fixing alot of things that i cant afford.

I JUST WANT TO BEAT HONDASSSSS!!!!!!! lmfao

wats ur opinion then?

lmao.
the problem dustin had with his axle was because of the hybrid axles. you would more than likely be using the stock S54.
the reliability is equal between both motors, man. turbo or not, your gonna have to play under the hood from time to time.
its part of ANY swap.
repeat that. over and over.
forget the thought that if you do an N/A swap, all your problems go away.
if you plan things out properly, take your time, and do it right, any swap you do will be just as reliable as the 5s thats in your car now.
it cracks me up that your worried about gas milage, but at the same time, you "just want to beat hondas"...and drove a mustang V6 before this car.

manny that thing was a pig! i got like 15-16 miles to a gallon with a 10 gallon tank... thats 150-160 miles to a tank lol idk if u kno where i live but i was fillin up twice almost 3 times a week lol. im fine with havin a N/A motor, ya boost is friggin awsume but i dont really need it, i dont race all the time anyway so theres no need for me t get the st205.
tell me if im wrong or right here.. everyone knows that a stock celi is wat honda fags calll a "bogga" lol, now if i were to pull up on lets say a gsr swapped civic or jus some vtec, if they dont hear the sexy turbo whistle they will think its an easy win over a bogga no? now my opinion is that with the beams being a N/A motor they wont relize its swapped until they are reading my TRD emblem on my trunk haha, idk maybe i am wrong with that therory, but i kno wat i want and i DO RESPECT your thinking and suggestion on the st205 but i want a Beams, and a Beams is wat i will buy lol



niceeeee headers bro, did u feel a difference at all?

[JuMPiiN]

Doesnt the BEAMS engine cost just as much as a 3sgte ?

[njccmd2002]

depends. but no

almost, but you still have to anticipate the unexpected....

it is a rare engine, i went for it because i do not want turbo, and if i do, i can turbo a 5sfe, i think 300 is fairly reasonable, and can be achieved with a proper tuned engine

more than that you need 3sgte.

the question is what do you want to achive and how deep are your pockets.

[Batman722]

any new thoughts Cam ?

[Ted95]

any new thoughts Cam ?

YEPPP!!! lol already emailed someone about shipping quotes lol.. it might not happen right away but soon enough ill b drivin a st205 powered coupe lol