beams clip, was the lsd standard on the SSIII, which one has LSD, see last post. Options

[erahman85]

I have heard that this is also true for s54 transmissions, the diff found on MR-S, Levin non supercharged and aftermakrget LSD made for either of these cars can be used on the s54 transmission but I have not personal experience with this fact.

i have heard this as well.
apparently there is a guy over on mr2oc that has used the mr-s lsd diff in the s54 tranny.

the thread happen to come up again and i saw it so, for reference, here is the S54 info from mr2oc

Originally Posted by Jason.MZW20
Some OEM Toyota part numbers for you guys:

LSD differential, S54 (SW20, ST202):
41301-20190
- Substitute: 41301-20230

LSD differential, C56 (ZZW30):
41301-20230

It is a helical limited slip differential.

Yup that toyota part number works at the dealership... it was $1500.00, the diff was for the MR-2 SPYDER.
Urbandork took a LSD out of an 02 Spyder and put it in his USDM S54 when he did his 3S swap. I was going to do the same but I couldn't source a tranny and 1500 from the dealership was a little too much for me. That reminds me that when I went to the dealership we compared the Spyder tranny and the USDM Celica tranny and the part numbers for where the Spyder LSD fits into are exactly the same for both.

ON another note I have no Idea what LSD came in my tranny for my BEAMS swap but from reading this thread I think a while back we deduced that all BEAMS had LSD right? We just changed the clutch while doing the swap and all 5SFE S54 CLUTCH PARTS FIT.

[delusionz]

ON another note I have no Idea what LSD came in my tranny for my BEAMS swap but from reading this thread I think a while back we deduced that all BEAMS had LSD right? We just changed the clutch while doing the swap and all 5SFE S54 CLUTCH PARTS FIT.

Read the previous page. We are discussing which Celica 3S-GE motors do come with LSD and which Celica 3S-GE motors DO NOT come with LSD, Yes this includes Beams.


If your Beams came from an SS-III it has LSD, if it came from an SS-II it does NOT.

[erahman85]

ON another note I have no Idea what LSD came in my tranny for my BEAMS swap but from reading this thread I think a while back we deduced that all BEAMS had LSD right? We just changed the clutch while doing the swap and all 5SFE S54 CLUTCH PARTS FIT.

Read the previous page. We are discussing which Celica 3S-GE motors do come with LSD and which Celica 3S-GE motors DO NOT come with LSD, Yes this includes Beams.


If your Beams came from an SS-III it has LSD, if it came from an SS-II it does NOT.

Yeah I read it but it says "none that we know of" which means its not confirmed right? I don't really know... every new thread has a new conclusion about the LSD in the BEAMS so I give up...Unless someone has opened up the tranny I guess no one can say...

[Rusty]

the BEAMS didn't just come in one celica, the BEAMS came in the SS3 (has the LSD) & the SS2 (none as far as we know)


so if you know the full Japanese chassis code (not just ST202, but E-ST202 BLMXX) we should be able to help you

but as we have worked out the SS3 has the LSD pre beams and beams, the SS2 doesn't have the lsd pre beams and since it uses the same S54-06A tranny/axle code we are thinking that it does not come with the LSD

[delusionz]

We're trying to dispell the myths that SS-III means Beams and all Beams have LSD.

SS-III means Superstrut Suspension, LSD and 3S-GE.

Beams is a 1998 revision of the 3S-GE motor, other Toyota models including the MR2 and Rav4 and the Celica SS-II which previously had 3S-GE motors also received Beams after 1998, This has nothing to do with LSD at ALL!

Prior to the introduction of the SS-III trim in 1995, there was some special "SS-II with Superstrut Suspension" models with a differing chassis code to the regular SS-II, this model also came with Superstrut, LSD and 3S-GE.

[erahman85]

We're trying to dispell the myths that SS-III means Beams and all Beams have LSD.

SS-III means Superstrut Suspension, LSD and 3S-GE.

Beams is a 1998 revision of the 3S-GE motor, other Toyota models including the MR2 and Rav4 and the Celica SS-II which previously had 3S-GE motors also received Beams after 1998, This has nothing to do with LSD at ALL!

Prior to the introduction of the SS-III trim in 1995, there was some special "SS-II with Superstrut Suspension" models with a differing chassis code to the regular SS-II, this model also came with Superstrut, LSD and 3S-GE.

ok. but as of yet does anyone know how to tell without opening the tranny and without having the full chasis code?

[Tom_SS2]

guys, a fella on CCUK has E56-070, its an SS-II with SSS, LSD (possibly viscous), sports ABS and 2 post callipers, just trying to find out the year

This post has been edited by Tom_SS2: Apr 11, 2010 - 7:55 PM

[Rusty]

oh yeah nice I'm very interested, have you got a link so I can have a look (I'm registered, but not a paying member)

[Tom_SS2]

http://www.celica-club.co.uk/forum/index.p...40&start=40

now 2 have popped up apparently 1994 models,

also if you check the TRD wesite it says the TRD mechanical LSD for non-"Super strut suspension model equipped with viscous L.S.D." even fits a car that "Includes helycal L.S.D. model", so there is a non-SSS model with a helical LSD somewhere http://trdparts.jp/english/parts_lsd_mechanical.html this gets more and more confusing

This post has been edited by Tom_SS2: Apr 12, 2010 - 11:18 AM

[Edophus]

http://www.celica-club.co.uk/forum/index.p...40&start=40

now 2 have popped up apparently 1994 models,

also if you check the TRD wesite it says the TRD mechanical LSD for non-"Super strut suspension model equipped with viscous L.S.D." even fits a car that "Includes helycal L.S.D. model", so there is a non-SSS model with a helical LSD somewhere http://trdparts.jp/english/parts_lsd_mechanical.html this gets more and more confusing

me thinks you've read that wrong the mechanical lsd for the viscous equipped box has a different part number to the one for the "includes helycal l.s.d model". Its a case of e56 gearbox for the viscous lsd, that makes it compatible with the other e series boxes in terms of lsd, so e153, e58, etc. The helical diff is in the S54 gearbox, which is compatible with other gearboxes like the c?? series that come with the zz engine series. The E and S series are not compatible in terms of lsd.

I'll post what i posted on ccuk as it really is this simple when it comes to what gen 6's came with lsd's. whether it has a beams engine in it or not isnt relevant.

before august 1995

ss 2 without superstrut, s54 gearbox no lsd, single pot calipers

ss 2 with superstrut, e56 with viscous lsd, twin pot calipers

after august 1995

ss2 no longer has superstrut option , single pot calipers, s54 gearbox without lsd.

ss3 now only comes with superstrut, and has a s54 with helical lsd, twin pot calipers.

This post has been edited by Edophus: Apr 12, 2010 - 12:14 PM

[turnip]

So I just read thru everything since my last post and still seems to be some uncertainty about the codes and visually looking at the transmissions for the S54. I still believe that the helical LSD under visual inspection you will not be able to see thru the transmission and will not have a bar. In addition, with no load the passenger side tire will spin backwards when the driver side spins forward. It will act basically like an open diff.

Just curious if we made any headway from a visual inspection perspective.
Thanks

[scottx3]

And any information on the LSD equipped to the Toyota Levin/Trueno GT-Apex Silvertop 4A-GE 5 speed and BZ-R Blacktop 4A-GE 6 speed models?

Also do you have any information on the LSD equipped to the Toyota MR2 Turbo models with the 3S-GTE E153 gearbox?

the LSD on supercharged corolla / levin / trueno is interchangeable along all E series transmission,

the Levin supercharged comes iwth a E58 ( LSD ) transmission, this LSD can be installed in E56 ( same tranny non LSD ) and E153 found in MR2 turbo, Camry V6, Solara V6, ES300. << This is veriofied information and I have both trannies apart in case pictures are needed, internally these trannies are identical, except for the differences in years with some having dual synchros and better oil system. the Stock OEM LSD for these transmission was always viscous, in some countries there was a TRD dealer option, pre 1993 this option was hellical LSD, after 93 the options were hellical andclutch type ( usually used only on mr2s )

if the LSD is hellical you'll see a small ( ~ 5mm wide ) hole when looking insdie the transmission axle area, if the hole is rather large ( ~ 10mm ) is non LSD ) for clutch type, you'll be able to see the clutch discs. and OEM Viscous is easy to identyfy, you'll see the bar and a gear right before the bar, I'll try to get a picture of this.


I have heard that this is also true for s54 transmissions, the diff found on MR-S, Levin non supercharged and aftermakrget LSD made for either of these cars can be used on the s54 transmission but I have not personal experience with this fact.

negative, an e58 LSD will not fit a camry V6 box or 3sgte mr2 box. i have just found out the hard way.

one on left is 4 spider Camry diff (e153) and one on right is Levin viscous LSD (E58).

bearing is in the wrong spot, but everything else lines up perfect. gonna get a quote to turn it down on a lathe but if its too expensive i will just sell it and save for a proper one that fits.

[Rusty]

http://www.celica-club.co.uk/forum/index.p...40&start=40

now 2 have popped up apparently 1994 models,

also if you check the TRD wesite it says the TRD mechanical LSD for non-"Super strut suspension model equipped with viscous L.S.D." even fits a car that "Includes helycal L.S.D. model", so there is a non-SSS model with a helical LSD somewhere http://trdparts.jp/english/parts_lsd_mechanical.html this gets more and more confusing

me thinks you've read that wrong the mechanical lsd for the viscous equipped box has a different part number to the one for the "includes helycal l.s.d model". Its a case of e56 gearbox for the viscous lsd, that makes it compatible with the other e series boxes in terms of lsd, so e153, e58, etc. The helical diff is in the S54 gearbox, which is compatible with other gearboxes like the c?? series that come with the zz engine series. The E and S series are not compatible in terms of lsd.

I'll post what i posted on ccuk as it really is this simple when it comes to what gen 6's came with lsd's. whether it has a beams engine in it or not isnt relevant.

before august 1995

ss 2 without superstrut, s54 gearbox no lsd, single pot calipers

ss 2 with superstrut, e56 with viscous lsd, twin pot calipers

after august 1995

ss2 no longer has superstrut option , single pot calipers, s54 gearbox without lsd.

ss3 now only comes with superstrut, and has a s54 with helical lsd, twin pot calipers.

then after 97

the SS-2(beams) & SS-3(non & beams) run the same TRD pads, so they should run the same twin pot front brakes
(check Japanese TRD website)...and on Toyodiy (however slight difference in part numbers)

[Tony-B]

My SS-II has Beams, no SS and twin-pots.

Sorry to sound like a tool but is there a way of checking without dismanteling the tranny?

[Tom_SS2]

My SS-II has Beams, no SS and twin-pots.

Sorry to sound like a tool but is there a way of checking without dismanteling the tranny?

sounds like you have a post 97 SS-II then, should have the gearbox code "S54 -06A" on the chassis plate which will mean it won't have the LSD

[Edophus]

http://www.celica-club.co.uk/forum/index.p...40&start=40

now 2 have popped up apparently 1994 models,

also if you check the TRD wesite it says the TRD mechanical LSD for non-"Super strut suspension model equipped with viscous L.S.D." even fits a car that "Includes helycal L.S.D. model", so there is a non-SSS model with a helical LSD somewhere http://trdparts.jp/english/parts_lsd_mechanical.html this gets more and more confusing

me thinks you've read that wrong the mechanical lsd for the viscous equipped box has a different part number to the one for the "includes helycal l.s.d model". Its a case of e56 gearbox for the viscous lsd, that makes it compatible with the other e series boxes in terms of lsd, so e153, e58, etc. The helical diff is in the S54 gearbox, which is compatible with other gearboxes like the c?? series that come with the zz engine series. The E and S series are not compatible in terms of lsd.

I'll post what i posted on ccuk as it really is this simple when it comes to what gen 6's came with lsd's. whether it has a beams engine in it or not isnt relevant.

before august 1995

ss 2 without superstrut, s54 gearbox no lsd, single pot calipers

ss 2 with superstrut, e56 with viscous lsd, twin pot calipers

after august 1995

ss2 no longer has superstrut option , single pot calipers, s54 gearbox without lsd.

ss3 now only comes with superstrut, and has a s54 with helical lsd, twin pot calipers.

then after 97

the SS-2(beams) & SS-3(non & beams) run the same TRD pads, so they should run the same twin pot front brakes
(check Japanese TRD website)...and on Toyodiy (however slight difference in part numbers)

nice find rusty we must have a fairly good idea of the spec of all these variants by now

[Culpable04]

what year of camry did you get that differential from ?

you have to be aware of trans revision, and as you found out, internal parts are not complatible with narrow gears ( newer design with dual synchros as well )

I have a Levin supercharged E58 diff , a Camry V6 diff and a MR2 SW20 LSD diff, and they are all compatible, depending on how my time gets available I'll try to get pics of all 3 side by side.

I think it was 98+ wehen they changed to narrow gears to reduce the rotarting mass and thus make it easier for synchros to bring the gears to speed, at the same time they added dual synchros to also aid with this.



Sorry for nto clarifying about the difference between regular and narrow gear E153s, I totally forgot when I wrote that post.

[Johnnyny]

what year of camry did you get that differential from ?

you have to be aware of trans revision, and as you found out, internal parts are not complatible with narrow gears ( newer design with dual synchros as well )

I have a Levin supercharged E58 diff , a Camry V6 diff and a MR2 SW20 LSD diff, and they are all compatible, depending on how my time gets available I'll try to get pics of all 3 side by side.

I think it was 98+ wehen they changed to narrow gears to reduce the rotarting mass and thus make it easier for synchros to bring the gears to speed, at the same time they added dual synchros to also aid with this.



Sorry for nto clarifying about the difference between regular and narrow gear E153s, I totally forgot when I wrote that post.

off topic the levin has the gze in it right? also u have pm