Superstrut Suspension, ST202 - ST205 suspention Options

[Rusty]

Here is my understanding regarding your question bonzai

How many SS-III superstrut owners are on here compared to gt4 owners?
with the superstrut suspension there are alot more moving parts involved, so there are more parts to wear down.

[Edophus]

oh ok, I get it it doesnt have any bushings on the superstrut ok I see, ya it looks like it by the pics in the first post. So why is it a high maintanence suspension system? or does that only apply to the gt-4 when it used the superstrut for rallying competition and WRC???

I think its just the type of bearings they used in the figure of 8's that are the problem, they just wear out, on the ss2/3 they last longer, but in a rally they wouldnt last long, I beleive someone is working on new arms with larger bearings that will be a replacement for the oem part and last longer, which if it comes off has been a long time coming! i'm not sure why no company has ever made a cheaper alternative to the oem parts!

[BonzaiCelica]

do 7th gen superstrut suspension work for the 6th gen celica with superstrut? also delusionz was saying that the macphearson rear suspension of an ST202 and a ST205 will not an american celica of either at200 or st204 is this true?

ok so going back to superstrut suspension and double wishbone. take a look at this vid from 1:42 to 2:09 min. You will notice that on the turn right before the straight you will see the celica rear end become unstable and then recover quickly, as the type r's rear end does not sway at all due to its double wishbone suspension.

I also remember reading somewhere that some gt have multi-link suspension on the rear is this true?

Do you think toyota would of been able to put double wishbone on an ST celica. I mean the 1.8 ltr engine is small enough to accomodate the suspension setup in the engine bay right?

This post has been edited by BonzaiCelica: Jan 15, 2013 - 3:06 PM

[nammer]

my stock super strut suspensions on my 94 gt-four are squeeking...the squeeking comes and goes but now it wants to stay....
I want to replace them and possibly upgrade and have the car sit lower.
Am I better off:

1) getting stock ss (where can I get this? I'm in Canada) and lowering springs (which ones will work?)
2) getting ksport coilovers ebay link
3) teins/trd coilovers (err...too expensive for me ...any used ones for sale out there?..can't seem to find any)

also, are there any other suspension components I should change? (how can i check to see if any needs changing?)
figure 8's?

[Rusty]

check the SSS part thread in the suspension sticky

do you know where abouts the squeek is coming from on the suspension?

[nammer]

check the SSS part thread in the suspension sticky

do you know where abouts the squeek is coming from on the suspension?

ya i looked through that already, but i still don't know which is the better option...I'm not sure where it's coming from....all I know is the front left one squeaks and the others don't...how can i check which specific part is squeaking?

any good words for the ksport sss?...so far i've seen okay reviews for ksport coilovers for GT's...
BC coilovers is another option...but not too sure if I want to deal with the welding involved..

[BonzaiCelica]

is the drop on superstrut suspension the same height as macphearson system.

lets say you have a trd tein coilovers superstrut suspension vs a macphearson tein coilover suspension. which of the two would have a lower drop??

[Euphoria]

only difference would be the GT-4 super strut as it has a rear differential and the 3SGTE is heavier.

[Edophus]

ok so going back to superstrut suspension and double wishbone. take a look at this vid from 1:42 to 2:09 min. You will notice that on the turn right before the straight you will see the celica rear end become unstable and then recover quickly, as the type r's rear end does not sway at all due to its double wishbone suspension. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffcx6H5OASc

i think thats probably more down to the celica's suspension being a lot softer than the integra's so there is more weight transfer going on, if you bought aftermarket lowering springs for the ss3 celica they still wouldnt match the spring rate on the integra, its simply not as focused out of the box, the rear suspension design in this case is less important, with trd coilovers on my ss3 the rear end was as stable or as loose as i wanted it!.

[BonzaiCelica]

ok so going back to superstrut suspension and double wishbone. take a look at this vid from 1:42 to 2:09 min. You will notice that on the turn right before the straight you will see the celica rear end become unstable and then recover quickly, as the type r's rear end does not sway at all due to its double wishbone suspension. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffcx6H5OASc

i think thats probably more down to the celica's suspension being a lot softer than the integra's so there is more weight transfer going on, if you bought aftermarket lowering springs for the ss3 celica they still wouldnt match the spring rate on the integra, its simply not as focused out of the box, the rear suspension design in this case is less important, with trd coilovers on my ss3 the rear end was as stable or as loose as i wanted it!.

ok thanks for clearing that Up edophus, always can count on you for the right answer whens it comes to the ss3. on another note, wheres the thread for the stiffness rate of aftermarket springs measured in kg. I was trying to search for the thread under suspension stickies and I wasnt able to find anything!!! anyone??

[Edophus]

ok thanks for clearing that Up edophus, always can count on you for the right answer whens it comes to the ss3. on another note, wheres the thread for the stiffness rate of aftermarket springs measured in kg. I was trying to search for the thread under suspension stickies and I wasnt able to find anything!!! anyone??

i'm not always right but i have my opinions from memory the lowering springs i bought for my ss3, were made by espilir they were about 4kg front and 3kg rear, they were a bit stiffer than stock, i think stock type r are 4.something kg maybe with dampers to match, its hard to compare exactly because different suspension designs load up the springs differently. The rear end on the ss3 never felt as loose as it looked if i'm honest, i wouldnt be surprised if that vid made it look worse than it was, it wasnt until i looked back at pics and vids of trackdays that i realised what angles i was getting! there is one in the wet from my freinds integra that you can see the rear of the ss3 just slides around to follow the nose real nice, it looks like its sliding a lot, but inside i never felt this, it felt very planted and i was soooo much faster during that track session than anyone else on track, even more experienced guys, purely because i felt confident in the car. The only way i can explain it is that the superstrut front end generates just the right amount of grip compared to the rear, that rather than any understeer, you get just the right amount of oversteer where the back is just pivoting around the front, but not so much unbalance as the car feels unstable, my integra driving freind, who was blooody fast in his teg, commended the ss3 for its pure stability and just how good it felt, his comment upon exiting my car after taking it for a 20 mile drive was simply, " yeah i liked it, especially third gear, and especially the steering!" praise indeed

when i get back online with my own pc i will upload some vids i found from 2007 that a freind took, external from a high speed corner, speeds are 80mph+ and the ss3 is stable as a table

[BonzaiCelica]

hmm yup. thats so good to hear!

This post has been edited by BonzaiCelica: Sep 26, 2013 - 11:30 PM

[linkerx]

[BonzaiCelica]

anyone care to explain this illustration please!!? im a little lost whats the top and wats the bottom, sideview????

[Rusty]

top pic is underneath
second is in front of the car (stearing at the car head on) or just behind the front wheel (looking to the front of the car, from behind the wheel)

Edit: fixed my ups and downs

This post has been edited by Rusty: May 25, 2010 - 4:13 PM

[Penkka]

top pic is above (birds eye view)
second is in front of the car (stearing at the car head on) or just behind the front wheel (looking to the front of the car, from behind the wheel)

the first one is actually from underneath.

[Edophus]

thankyou i think that is a brilliant visulization of the superstrut, you can see from there it is moving like a double wishbone in the vertical, and from below you can see that the hub is rotating around its own axis, rather than rotating around the strut centre like a macpherson strut, this is why fords revoknuckle and renaults system that are both currently getting rave reviews for fwd cars have such great grip and ability to put down so much power even though they are fwd. You can see from those animations that the superstrut go's even further than these systems with its camber and castor control, wish i understood more about it!.

[Rusty]

lol so it is, fixed my above statement



yeah its very impressive, did you make it yourself?

[linkerx]

yeah its very impressive, did you make it yourself?

Yes, using NX4. Very glad that you liked.

[BonzaiCelica]

Edophus any luck finding those pics and vids of you vs the type r? also setting negative camber on the rear wheels is possible right?