How difficult do you think it would be to get from Fwd to Rwd? Options

[dudeofchaos]

I really love my car and plan on keeping it. I don't wanna sell it, never.
It's not something that I plan on doing soon cause I'm broke, but in a few years I will have my real job and I will probably work as a mecanical engineer and I may also have my mecanic's diploma.

I was wondering how difficult it would be to get from Fwd to Rwd? Could I just take the transmition and rear differencial from an Mr2 (which has the same engine which is good!) and I guess probably the cv axles and probably the suspention/steering-related parts like the tie rod ends and stuff and make them fit together and Voila?

I'm not good enoght right now to know what I shall do to do this conversion, but I will eventually go to school after I get my engineer diploma to learn all about mecanics.

(I plan on having a Rwd Celica and a 4wd Gt-Four later. I don't wanna buy a gt-four and convert it to rwd cause this way I would have to buy 2 gt-fours in the end. I'd rather get my Fwd Gts to rwd and then, later, buy a Gt-Four. So please don't tell me to buy a Gt-Four because ''it would be easier to swap'' )

Do you think it would be this ''simple'' or would I need to do a lot more things to get the rear wheels spinning?
I guess a celica would be easier than other cars to convert since there are a lot of bolt-on parts between the celica-mr2-gt4, am I right?

Well, thanks to those who answer me!

This post has been edited by dudeofchaos: Sep 25, 2010 - 5:53 PM

[JuMPiiN]

Simple, no. Anything is possible with money available. Are you saying you want the get the MR2 3s with tranny and diff and axles, and move everythting from the front to the back ? And basically have a trunk in the back ? To be honest Im not sure if the frame could support that. And that would take a insane amount of fab work., and prob enough money to buy a 97 Supra TT. I mean by all means go for it down the road as long as its just a project and not a DD you will finish it eventually. But me personally it wouldnt be worth it. Because every "performance" mod would have to be custom. Just seems like the reward isnt worth the sacrafice if you get what I mean.

[njccmd2002]

Ok, why not buy an mr2 and do the front end celica conversion and be done with it.

unless awd, but the conversion is costing around 10,000 to some folks.

[JuMPiiN]

Ok, why not buy an mr2 and do the front end celica conversion and be done with it.

unless awd, but the conversion is costing around 10,000 to some folks.

What he said. It would look kinda funny though.

[playr158]

oh man...have i ever been in your spot

Cut the firewall and floor pan and create a transmission tunnel.
Fabricate a rear end
fab a custom K frame
build custom engine mounts
mount engine + trans
buy a custom drive shaft
create custom steering rack
create custom front knuckles (can't use FWD knuckles because you'd be missing the center section)

easiest way is to mount the engine in the rear of the hatch chassis. Build a custom firewall.
fab the knuckles... /done

(Also google....W12 GTI)


http://www.team-integra.net/forum/display_...;TopicID=106670



This post has been edited by playr158: Sep 25, 2010 - 6:17 PM

[dudeofchaos]

Ok, why not buy an mr2 and do the front end celica conversion and be done with it.

unless awd, but the conversion is costing around 10,000 to some folks.

Cause I don't want a mid-engine. And I prefer the celica's look over the Mr2. As I said, it's not for now. It's something that I'll wanna do by myself later. I want my celica to be rwd, not another car.

[JuMPiiN]

All I have to say is goodluck, risk isnt worth reward. I think it would be cheaper to do AWD instead of RWD. But anything is possible with the right kind of money.

[dudeofchaos]

All I have to say is goodluck, risk isnt worth reward. I think it would be cheaper to do AWD instead of RWD. But anything is possible with the right kind of money.

I know, never said it would be easy nor cheap. But later when I'll have the time and money for it, I will probably do it.

[azian_advanced]

sounds like a big task.. you best to start practicing how to weld. it's nice to see another mechanical engineering student on the boards. i would love to do a rwd conversion on mine but lack the funds and welding experience. it would be a fun project though that's for sure.

i've thought about the concept of converting to MR than FR. it would look awesome in a hatch and put in a trd supercharged 2grfe while you're at it.

sample


^no firewall, don't do this!

This post has been edited by azian_advanced: Sep 25, 2010 - 8:57 PM

[njccmd2002]

^^^^ nice heater!!! good for cold weather.

[whatthe]

How loud would that be haha.

[dudeofchaos]

I'm mostly looking to keep the engine in the front. As I said, money is not something that bothers me cause it'll be something fun to do when I have the experience. I'm just asking what I shall change on the car to get it Rwd.

This post has been edited by dudeofchaos: Sep 25, 2010 - 10:34 PM

[dudeofchaos]

Simple, no. Anything is possible with money available. Are you saying you want the get the MR2 3s with tranny and diff and axles, and move everythting from the front to the back ? And basically have a trunk in the back ? To be honest Im not sure if the frame could support that. And that would take a insane amount of fab work., and prob enough money to buy a 97 Supra TT. I mean by all means go for it down the road as long as its just a project and not a DD you will finish it eventually. But me personally it wouldnt be worth it. Because every "performance" mod would have to be custom. Just seems like the reward isnt worth the sacrafice if you get what I mean.

Why do you say the frame would not support it?

[mkernz22]

He thought you were going to do a mid engine at first. If you did a mid engine, the frame of our car could and would not support the weight of the engine

[njccmd2002]

first of all

1. do you want
A: transverse mounted engine , need a special tranny or go awd
b: longitudinal mounted engine need to build a tranny tunnel and reinforce chassis, cut firewall, so chassis may go weak.

2. IRS differential or solid rear differential.

several options to consider. all can be done, be ready to fork out 10k+ in parts alone...

[richee3]

RWD Celica? You COULD do it yourself... Or you could just sit back and let Toyota do all the work. They did it back in 1978.



Then again in 1981.



Then again in 1986.



And in 1993, they really felt the need to outdo themselves.



What I'm getting at is that you CAN convert your Celica to RWD, but it's cheaper and easier to convert to AWD. And seeing as you're in Montreal, and you intend to buy a GT4 anyway, you're better off to just do that. I hope to see a RWD Celica. I really do. But if it was me, I'd spend the money on a Supra or a GT4. You spend less money and get a lot more.

This post has been edited by richee3: Sep 26, 2010 - 5:02 AM

[95celicastLSR]

you could just do the gt4 conversion and modify the trany and get rid of the front axles... that would be the most logical thing in my mind...Good luck though

[dudeofchaos]

I know, but since I will eventually make money later I will have many cars.. Gt4, Mr2, Supra and probably more, a lot more lol.

But I also want my Rwd Celica. Im also planning to buy a 1984 celica (Rwd) this winter. But I want my 6g to be Rwd.

first of all

1. do you want
A: transverse mounted engine , need a special tranny or go awd
b: longitudinal mounted engine need to build a tranny tunnel and reinforce chassis, cut firewall, so chassis may go weak.

2. IRS differential or solid rear differential.

several options to consider. all can be done, be ready to fork out 10k+ in parts alone...

I would stay with a transverse engine. Would an Mr2 tranny work you think?
But I dont know the difference between IRS and solid rear differential, sorry.

[JuMPiiN]

If you want it so badly..... buy a MR2 or somekind of Supra..... and just figure out a way to put a Celica body onto one of those frames... If you could figure that out it would save you plenty money.

What everyone above is saying there is no point in doing it. AWD, yea I can understand if you live in the states. But YOU live in Canada where you can just go buy a GT4 no questions asked.

There is no point in forking out roughly 10-20K in parts then fabricating everything, then hoping it works because you have NO GUIDELINES what so ever with this swap. Where as if you do decide to do the AWD conversion theres tons of information on here for that swap. I dont really see the point in doing a AWD conversion considering where you live you can just go buy a authentic GT4 for less than the conversion.

Im not saying or doubting your abilities to do either or. I just dont see the point in doing it when you can buy it for less than building it. Like i said before if your confident in doing it by all means go for it. It just doesnt make any sense to me in doing it when you can go buy it, or get the older celica and drop the Supra TT 2jz-gte in it and be done.

If you ask this crazy question get ready for crazy answers, your basically asking what everyone else asks when they first get the Celica, ( " How hard is it to put the 2jz into my Celica ?" )

Anything is possible. But is it worth it ? Probably not, literally every part on the car would have to be custom made. I could keep going on and on. But from the looks of it so far you already had your mind set on this before you even posted the thread.

[Smaay]

celicas were all RWD untill the 5th gen or was it the 4th?