New car, So when i sold my car, I got this: Options

[mak5603]

Comparing the speed of two slow cars is pointless. Just because it's faster than a slow car doesn't mean its fast, in fact it's not even the same platform...that's like comparing a celica and an N/A supra. All I was saying is that I personally would not build a 3000gt when there is a VR4 model existent. I mean, I just don't see a point, even if you TT swap it, its still FWD...That means all the money you put in it trying to get it as good as a VR4 is stock won't even achieve that goal. I guess its a similar reason I wouldn't get an Impreza when I could get a WRX or STI, same reason I wouldn't build a Lancer when there's an Evo, same reason I wouldn't build a Neon when theres an Srt4, etc. Because if you get a car to build, you might as well not start with the base model. Besides I know the aftermarket support isn't outrageous but GT4's have what we need, what are we missing out on? Altezza tail lights? Super ultra JDM Spoilers? Ski racks? Metal floorboards?

Like you said, I like the styling of the car. And although I have my negative comments about DSM's due to personal experience, I won't be the guy to shy you away from having to repair a few things and take on a project as I love doing that myself. And I'm not hating on the car's potential, I'm just saying I wouldn't call that a fast car by any means and instead of trying to build that up, I would just save, sell that and buy a VR4 if I loved it enough.

[SleekCelica]

Okay, but the point is you just made is invalid. "Why build a N/A into something if there's a vr4 existent". I would ask everybody on the forum the same question. Why build your celica if there's a gt4 that exists? vr4s are rare and expensive when you do find them. Plus the N/A is a better platform IMO. 10.1:1 CR= low turbo lag when twin turbo is put on. The vr4 has a slight turbo lag, and if I TT'ed mine with the SAME SETUP, I would beat it. I don't have all the extra added weight of stupid ECS, Active Exhaust, Active Aero, etc. I have the SL model, which consists of what I need for speed. And furthermore, what makes you think an AWD swap is impossible? It's extremely easy(and cheaper), if not more so on this car vs a celica. For one, the rear subframe mounts are ALREADY THERE. It's quite literally a bolt on conversion that can be done in a day if time is properly set aside and you are a diligent worker. And as far as aftermarket support? Cmon dude, this isn't a honda. I'm talking real performance parts like lightweight crank pulleys, plenty of lightweight flywheel/clutch combo's, fuel upgrades, from injectors to fuel rail, to fuel lines to an aftermarket FUEL FILTER. I mean seriously, this is ridiculous. Why can't someone just say something nice without some kind of crappy negative comment on something they read about on an online forum from one guy. This car isn't slow, it doesn't weight a lot, and it's styled very nicely. I thought I made my point earlier...

[SupraKid]

Everybody is just straight up hating this car- why? It's been just as reliable as the celica, a lot of you are exaggerating a lot. As far as parts just "needing to be replaced one after another" that is not the case with this car. 1.Sure, it has it's issues, but what doesn't. 2.You can't buy a used car that's a 94 and expect it to be perfect. And 3I find this car is way faster than the celica. I've driven this right after I've hopped out of the driver seat of the celi. Way more powerful. And one of the biggest reasons I love this car? Daniel knows what I'm talking about. AFTERMARKET SUPPORT.4. Something some of you Celica owners don't even know the meaning of. If and when something on this car breaks, I have the choice of HKS, AEM, or whatever, pertaining to the part. 5This car is well styled, more proportional than the coupe celica, and faster than Gt's and St's. Not counting 3s swaps or anything, probably not, but if I had 2k, I'd do TT on this and then we'd see. Haha. The only thing this thing lacks in is gas mileage, and the fact that you have to use premium, due to the 10.1:1 compression ratio, but if I cared about that, I'd drive a honda. That's my opinion, and everything i want to say about it. I will keep you posted, and prove to the people that think otherwise; this is a car that has tons of potential, and the displacement is there, I will make this car a beast.

And I'm not hating on the Celica at all. Not even in the smallest bit. I love them ;D And I might even buy another one in the future (albeit hatchback) for cruising and gas mileage.

1. Any celica
2.If its a toyota you can
3. so are minivans
4. Because we dont have anyone in japan and has molds of body parts and ships them to use for cheap? o wait...
5. Cause the celica has no curves

Okay, but the point is you just made is invalid. "Why build a N/A into something if there's a vr4 existent". I would ask everybody on the forum the same question. Why build your celica if there's a gt4 that exists? vr4s are rare and expensive when you do find them. Plus the N/A is a better platform IMO. 10.1:1 CR= low turbo lag when twin turbo is put on. The vr4 has a slight turbo lag, and if I TT'ed mine with the SAME SETUP, I would beat it. I don't have all the extra added weight of stupid ECS, Active Exhaust, Active Aero, etc. I have the SL model, which consists of what I need for speed. And furthermore, what makes you think an AWD swap is impossible? It's extremely easy(and cheaper), if not more so on this car vs a celica. For one, the rear subframe mounts are ALREADY THERE. It's quite literally a bolt on conversion that can be done in a day if time is properly set aside and you are a diligent worker. And as far as aftermarket support? Cmon dude, this isn't a honda. I'm talking real performance parts like lightweight crank pulleys, plenty of lightweight flywheel/clutch combo's, fuel upgrades, from injectors to fuel rail, to fuel lines to an aftermarket FUEL FILTER. I mean seriously, this is ridiculous. Why can't someone just say something nice without some kind of crappy negative comment on something they read about on an online forum from one guy. This car isn't slow, it doesn't weight a lot, and it's styled very nicely. I thought I made my point earlier...

Tell me how many N/A engine builds you see going around on this site?Aside from the beams ad 4age swap all performance build threads on this site are either 3sgTe,5sfTe or 7afTe.




Good luck with your car and build, and i hope your right and it doesn't break at all, but id advise you to not attempt to rip on celicas on a celica site..

This post has been edited by SupraKid: Dec 1, 2010 - 11:45 PM

[SleekCelica]

Already told you, I'm not ripping on the celica at all. Anybody who knows me would know that I would never rip on the celica. I poured my heart and soul into that car, and I love it. Still. It's not the fastest but damn it was great.

[SupraKid]

1-AFTERMARKET SUPPORT Something some of you Celica owners don't even know the meaning of.

2-This car is well styled, more proportional than the coupe celica, and faster than Gt's and St's.

This post has been edited by SupraKid: Dec 1, 2010 - 11:48 PM

[SleekCelica]

That's not ragging on the Celica. You're being outrageous right now. I'm not making any false claims, I'm stating the truth and what's also my opinion, like the more proportional part. You're getting all butt hurt about this right now and i don't see why; as I'm not trashing anything. And then you quote me in your signature like you think it's hilarious? Grow up dude.

[SleekCelica]

And I'm not talking about keeping this thing N/A. I'm definitely going to TT it. I don't feel like fighting with you man, We're arguing over something that we shouldn't. I love celicas, you love celicas. I like my 3k better, and maybe you don't, but hey, it's your opinion. Keep your celica if you don't want a 3k. just chill out and please stop getting defensive.

[mmmchocolate]

just ignore the fags man. if you like your car, who cares about other peoples opinions. its YOUR opinion that matters. there will ALWAYS be haters. forget them. i like your car, my buddy had one and i loved it. its very different from the celica. just enjoy what you have!

[SleekCelica]

Thanks man, and i will. It's a great quick car that has been very reliable so far. all about routine maintenance right?

[mmmchocolate]

Thanks man, and i will. It's a great quick car that has been very reliable so far. all about routine maintenance right?

thats right, as long as you take care of it, love it, who cares if it has problems. if it does, at least you will know how to fix it eventually.

[easternpiro1]

man. eric why didnt u tell me sooner?! i wanted to use my favorite gif!



anyway... nevermind suprakid, he's SUUUUUUUUUPER GHEY! jk

good luck with the build... and REMEMBER..... I HAVE TO PASS TRHU YOUR TOWN when i come from TWEAKS.... im TELLING YOU... youre GONNA WANT YOUR CELICA BACK.


/thread. lol

This post has been edited by easternpiro1: Dec 2, 2010 - 1:21 AM

[SleekCelica]

I don't think this thread will be locked, I've tried to converse in a manner abiding by forum rules so it wouldn't get locked. And yeah, I know i'm going to miss it, but when I TT this, you're gonna want a 3kgt

[mak5603]

Okay, but the point is you just made is invalid. "Why build a N/A into something if there's a vr4 existent". I would ask everybody on the forum the same question. Why build your celica if there's a gt4 that exists?

VR4's are in America, GT4's are not, simply put. VR4s are incredibly fun to drive and the reason I say why build the SL when there are VR4's is how often do you see a twin turbo FWD car? Very rarely, there is also a reason for that...I'm basically getting at a stock VR4 will outperform a twin turbo SL. I'm aware you can do conversions to make it AWD but its still not a VR4, and you probably will spend more making it a clone then a VR4 would be. I just saw a '99 VR4 with 100,000 give or take original miles going for 14k, that's a steal.

EDIT: You ever seen the movie Thunderbolt with Jackie Chan? Badass movie with lots of driving. Jackie drives a VR4 in it, couple 5th gen GT4's too. That's the first place I saw a VR4 in action, then I drove one and they really are amazing.

This post has been edited by mak5603: Dec 2, 2010 - 1:27 PM

[blu94gt]

Are you going to turbo it yourself, or do a swap? I had a friend who did his own turbo build on his 3000gt SL, he sourced everything himself, custom fabbed everything, all the piping, exhaust, etc. I think he photo-documented everything, it was a few years ago but I can see if he still has it all saved or if it's on one of the 3000gt forums somewhere.

[SleekCelica]

I know vr4's are sold in the US, but they are fairly rare. and i don't think i'd spend more on this making a vr4 replica vs buying a vr4. TT swap- 3000, AWD- 1000$. plus originally we bought this car for 800$. It would totally outperform a vr4 because of the 10.1:1 CR! Vr4's have an 8.5:1 CR. Same boost on both, which wins. And i'll turbo it myself.

[SleekCelica]

double post

This post has been edited by SleekCelica: Dec 2, 2010 - 3:55 PM

[Chhaos]

Comparing the speed of two slow cars is pointless. Just because it's faster than a slow car doesn't mean its fast, in fact it's not even the same platform...that's like comparing a celica and an N/A supra. All I was saying is that I personally would not build a 3000gt when there is a VR4 model existent. I mean, I just don't see a point, even if you TT swap it, its still FWD...That means all the money you put in it trying to get it as good as a VR4 is stock won't even achieve that goal. I guess its a similar reason I wouldn't get an Impreza when I could get a WRX or STI, same reason I wouldn't build a Lancer when there's an Evo, same reason I wouldn't build a Neon when theres an Srt4, etc. Because if you get a car to build, you might as well not start with the base model. Besides I know the aftermarket support isn't outrageous but GT4's have what we need, what are we missing out on? Altezza tail lights? Super ultra JDM Spoilers? Ski racks? Metal floorboards?

For the most part I would agree with this about just buying the best stock trim and then going from there. I think in the case of older cars, as has already been stated they can be kind of rare. Let's take for example a 2003 Mustang GT, not the best car but the first that came into my head. Plenty of people build them up instead of just going out and buying a 2003 SVT Cobra, which is supercharged stock. I think the reason people build N/A cars is because they are easier to find and honestly, a hell of a lot cheaper to insure than the top trims of cars. A SVT for me would have been about $400 a month on insurance alone whereas a stock GT would have only run me about $100. Not saying what you stated is wrong, just saying why I think people build N/As instead.

Everybody is just straight up hating this car- why? It's been just as reliable as the celica, a lot of you are exaggerating a lot. As far as parts just "needing to be replaced one after another" that is not the case with this car. 1.Sure, it has it's issues, but what doesn't. 2.You can't buy a used car that's a 94 and expect it to be perfect. And 3I find this car is way faster than the celica. I've driven this right after I've hopped out of the driver seat of the celi. Way more powerful. And one of the biggest reasons I love this car? Daniel knows what I'm talking about. AFTERMARKET SUPPORT.4. Something some of you Celica owners don't even know the meaning of. If and when something on this car breaks, I have the choice of HKS, AEM, or whatever, pertaining to the part. 5This car is well styled, more proportional than the coupe celica, and faster than Gt's and St's. Not counting 3s swaps or anything, probably not, but if I had 2k, I'd do TT on this and then we'd see. Haha. The only thing this thing lacks in is gas mileage, and the fact that you have to use premium, due to the 10.1:1 compression ratio, but if I cared about that, I'd drive a honda. That's my opinion, and everything i want to say about it. I will keep you posted, and prove to the people that think otherwise; this is a car that has tons of potential, and the displacement is there, I will make this car a beast.

And I'm not hating on the Celica at all. Not even in the smallest bit. I love them ;D And I might even buy another one in the future (albeit hatchback) for cruising and gas mileage.

1. Any celica
2.If its a toyota you can
3. so are minivans
4. Because we dont have anyone in japan and has molds of body parts and ships them to use for cheap? o wait...
5. Cause the celica has no curves

I know I shouldn't add fuel to this kid's fire, but not all Celicas are perfect wonderful cars. To disagree with your points 1 and 2, I have had many problems. Let's see 5 bad wheel bearings, 2 broken axles, a messed up throttle cable, and my tire just coming off my car while I was making a turn at 10 mph.... all this and I haven't even owned the car for 2 years. I honestly had less problems with my 21 year old CRX that had 250k miles. All old cars have some problem at one point or another. Nothing lasts forever.

To the OP, I like 3kgt's as well. I was considering getting one myself at one point. Good luck with the build and what not. Hope all goes well with the car.

[Remy]

I know vr4's are sold in the US, but they are fairly rare. and i don't think i'd spend more on this making a vr4 replica vs buying a vr4. TT swap- 3000, AWD- 1000$. plus originally we bought this car for 800$. It would totally outperform a vr4 because of the 10.1:1 CR! Vr4's have an 8.5:1 CR. Same boost on both, which wins. And i'll turbo it myself.

10:1 vs 8.5:1 both turbo on 8psi and pump gas the 10:1 would make more power true but all the 8.5:1 gotta do is up the boost/psi and it would make more power then the 10:1 on pump gas while the 10:1 is capped at 8psi to prevent it from blowing into pieces on pump gas.

Vr4's aren't rare...MKIV Supras and Vipers are rare I see a lot of vr4's here for sale and around town all the time I've been around 3k guys long enough to know their weakness and the six figures you have to make to keep them running a joke from a previous 3k owner I know lol a lot of people like them just for their exotic look I drove a Vr4 and SL before didn't like it much drove like a tank and handled like one too it does weight almost 2 tons (Vr4) the SL same just less power not fast either prob as fast as our GT's if you want a FWD that handles good, peppy, good mpg, reliable and easy to mod get a RSX Type S prob the best stock FWD car I ever drove makes me want to trade in my 6gc for one but here too many people drive that car takes the fun out of it I hate looking like a sheep.

[SleekCelica]

okay, presure2, just close this thread. I didn't post this because I wanted to hear everybody's negative opinions. I'm really sick and tired of this.

[garin]

hey dude i am happy for you hope you find joy in the 3000gt. no need to argue and complain!