GT-FOUR El Franjeado, EFR turbo etcq Options

[Neon90424]

oh how I hate propietary company bullsh*T why cant everything be universal bleh...Seems like im gonna have to order this **** from paraguay or have it hand made...which ever is cheaper...

Would it be recomendable to just to make a handmade adapter? A local mechanic did it for my 3vz-fe he Y piped it and made a flange at the end of the Y pipe for the turbo...I wonder if this thing will fit without bothering the radiator... I hate it when sh*T happens

I Just found these pics of the CT26 and CT20 and I must say the turbo exhaust side I have does seem wider on the bolts...Could I drill holes into it and screw it in that way?

EDIT: I am still looking at the both pics and it looks like this thing should bolt up to it...

And what about the waste gate part I am a bit n00b at this point so I was wondering if the internal waste gate on the turbo takes care of my problems?

Oh...and will this POS hook up onto the down pipe or will i have to custom that thing?

EDIT: I got this off of Toyotanation out of a guy wanting to upgrade the turbo on his alltrack...

the CT24 turbo from any all trac will bolt right up, they are pretty common and easy to get ahold of. if you cant find the CT24 then any t3/t4 hybrid should bolt up.

My turbo has a T3 twin scroll flange on it.

I read up on the FCD So if i clamp the voltage where the injectors are at 100% that is my limit on the stock fuel system? knowing these 3sgte's run rich and I keep on the boost say to 21PSI with the Water/Meth injection I believe it should stabilize it and richen it a bit with the meth keepin me a happy camper ?


I am truly sorry If someone thinks I am torturing a poor st205, but the fact is that my car was tortured long before I came along it actually had bolts inbetween the coilovers...welded on I believe...So that It wouldnt collapse I think? the coilover ended up snapping in half...The turbo seems to have been over boosted and thrashed around so all its seals are blown..And with the Koyo racing radiator and nice intake and the C-One cooling panel thing & cusco strut brace...This thing was definitely up to something in the Jap tuner world...why the hell would it have a racing radiator in the first place?

This post has been edited by Neon90424: Jan 20, 2011 - 12:39 PM

[Neon90424]

No ideas? Well I'm flyin' back tomorrow So expect lots of pics and questions by next week. Get this GT-Four back to impreza spankin badboy status

[Sunny]

Hi,

sorry, does i ask you direct for the problem as i won't read the complete thread.....

you want to use a twin entry turbo on your toyota twin entry manifold which means you need a twin entry adapter or get the manifold
machined to take the new turbo
the issue is that your turbo doesn't use kinetic energy when you kill the twin entry

CT26 and CT20B use the same twin entry design but is toyota specific

i'am nearly in the same situation like you, but i have to make a corolla wrc manifold to fit a T4 divided turbo on it

greetz

[Neon90424]

Its a twinscroll turbo that is divided T3, I have no idea of the results. Im finally in the motherland! pics later I got the Xenon and Spacers installed! Muffler too!










I am going to switch to 215 55 R16 so It should look much better once i get that done

This post has been edited by Neon90424: Jan 24, 2011 - 11:25 PM

[Neon90424]

Alrighty folks I'm off to the mechanics expect engine bay pics at least lets see what we can get done today!


Sorry guys, mechanic is hands full till monday, got the electric cut out installed and I must say, It leaked a bit but then I guess as it heats up and with the soot it should seal pretty good barely noticeable, Great rally car sound with the touch of a button opens up real fast and closes real fast as well!

This post has been edited by Neon90424: Jan 26, 2011 - 6:22 PM

[miguelst205]

Jajajajaja..

Que bueno encontrar a algún paraguayo por acá che.. pensaba que era el único por acá, pero ahora ya no...

Anotá mi email y número de teléfono, te puedo guiar con unas cuantas cosas de repente... digamos que ya soy bieeeen veterano con el GT-Four, específicamente el ST205.. jeje..

Supongo que sos de Asunción, yo soy de CDE, pero sin dramas... maenriquez07@gmail.com ... msn: miguelpneus@hotmail.com ... los celulares... 0973 863998 y 0983 406942...

Escribime y te explico más o menos cómo viene la mano, ya que vi que con algunas cosas estás medio confundido o desinformado... Saludos!!..

PS: people, sorry about writing in spanish, but let's agree with me that it's very rare to find a compatriot here in a US forum... me even more, because I'm some "oldie" here.. hehehe..

[Smaay]

KEEP IT IN ENGLISH!!!!! this is a public forum

[Culpable04]

KEEP IT IN ENGLISH!!!!! this is a public forum

yes, public and international forum that is, people write in polish, german, french, spanish, Japanese, etc

when I don't understand one of those languages I use the magic of google to translate, as a public forum you have to be open minded and prepare to welcome members from all nationalities, so chill out and STOP THE CRYING !!!

[presure2]

KEEP IT IN ENGLISH!!!!! this is a public forum

when you make the rules, then you can decide things like this.
till then, be polite.
use google translator, it works well.

besides, what does the forum being "public" have to do with what lauguage he writes in?

[Ted95]

lol.....i feel so bad for this poor car....and 57k at that

some people just dont understand what its like to not have the availability of a true ST205

i agree

[3WayStunna]

oh how I hate propietary company bullsh*T why cant everything be universal bleh...Seems like im gonna have to order this **** from paraguay or have it hand made...which ever is cheaper...

Would it be recomendable to just to make a handmade adapter? A local mechanic did it for my 3vz-fe he Y piped it and made a flange at the end of the Y pipe for the turbo...I wonder if this thing will fit without bothering the radiator... I hate it when sh*T happens

I Just found these pics of the CT26 and CT20 and I must say the turbo exhaust side I have does seem wider on the bolts...Could I drill holes into it and screw it in that way?

EDIT: I am still looking at the both pics and it looks like this thing should bolt up to it...

And what about the waste gate part I am a bit n00b at this point so I was wondering if the internal waste gate on the turbo takes care of my problems?

Oh...and will this POS hook up onto the down pipe or will i have to custom that thing?

EDIT: I got this off of Toyotanation out of a guy wanting to upgrade the turbo on his alltrack...

the CT24 turbo from any all trac will bolt right up, they are pretty common and easy to get ahold of. if you cant find the CT24 then any t3/t4 hybrid should bolt up.

My turbo has a T3 twin scroll flange on it.

I read up on the FCD So if i clamp the voltage where the injectors are at 100% that is my limit on the stock fuel system? knowing these 3sgte's run rich and I keep on the boost say to 21PSI with the Water/Meth injection I believe it should stabilize it and richen it a bit with the meth keepin me a happy camper ?


I am truly sorry If someone thinks I am torturing a poor st205, but the fact is that my car was tortured long before I came along it actually had bolts inbetween the coilovers...welded on I believe...So that It wouldnt collapse I think? the coilover ended up snapping in half...The turbo seems to have been over boosted and thrashed around so all its seals are blown..And with the Koyo racing radiator and nice intake and the C-One cooling panel thing & cusco strut brace...This thing was definitely up to something in the Jap tuner world...why the hell would it have a racing radiator in the first place?

Just to fill you in man, YOU DO NOT WANT TO RUN YOUR INJECTORS AT 100% DUTY. The could reach a point where they do not open/close fast enough, starve your engine, and then bad things will happen. Its obvious that you know what an active clamp does, but i just have a thing about running injectors up too 100%. I have had mine hit up to 80% and most ppl will tell you 80% is the "safe limit". Its cool that you want to run water/meth injection, but nonetheless the dangers are still present.

http://docinjector.com/info1.htm (give this a quick read for a general idea of what i mean)

Do you plan to run larger injectors BTW? I noticed you are planning to upgrade your turbo. I wonder if a portion if not all of your fueling system will change as well...

[Neon90424]

I have no plans to change the fuel system, Injectors are usually expensive and 3rd gen are as big as they come out of all gens that I know of...bigger injectors with more boost = death to pistons... So I'm lookin for the safe limit of max gas with extra alcohol and water with the PSI limit and get as close to 350 HP since thats my goal. Its the taboo limit of pistons gas head gasket and piston rings clutch and whatnot.


And why feel so bad for my poor car ? I love my car, our roads are **** thats all. It has suffered a few times though, no crashes though

Thanks miguel for the Info I'll send you a message if i swing that side of the country!

[Sunny]

Hi,

the main problem of a 100% duty-cicle is that the injectors gets hot as the fuel is't not longer able to cool them and in front of this they get damaged, 80% is a safe maximum

a friend of mine is driving around ~380PS (DIN) with the standart 540cc injectors, a good fuel pump, map and especially water injection is needed

you should possible go for a hybrid turbo to hit your goal, i think this is the cheapest solution as you don't have to build the whole system new

greetz

[Johnnyny]

obviamente tienes mucha ambicion hermano pero por favor haslo bien no tienes idea cuanto la gente de aca quisiera tener la opportuninad que tu tienes !

[3WayStunna]

Well NEON90424 there are still some options that you could take in regards to improving your fuel system on the cheap.

One thing you could try is an improved fuel pump, with an aftermarket pressure gauge/regulator. With this method you can get the most out of your stock injectors without actually changing them.
I will say though, that most people tend to shy away from doing this mostly because they dont know what they are doing or because someone tells them that it isnt a good idea. READ UP ON THIS TO SEE MORE OF WHAT I MEAN....(btw this method takes a bit of research and patience) Stock fuel pressure is as follows...33-38psi/idle =27-31psi


AEROMOTIVE FUEL PRESSURE GUIDE

You could also try swapping out your stock injectors for something slightly bigger out of a junked car. What i mean is, finding side feed 550cc injectors to give you a better range of efficiency before you hit that magical 80-85% duty cycle.

I have seen a few friends of mine get away with this when doing their "junkyard builds (using mostly parts out of a junkyards)". I really wouldnt reccomend this as a permanent solution mostly because the injectors could be bad, and you might have to do some custom work to make it all work together (aka. boring out rails, jury-riggin a rail to work with your engine etc.etc..)
Ill post up a link that has list of all side feed injectors and their flow rates.

SIDE FEED INJECTORS

OR you could dig through forum sites/ebay to find a nice set of injectors on the cheap you could use. Use a SAFC for cheap tuning and throw in a wahlbro pump and bam you could have a cheap system that works and is reliable to some extent. Although some ppl say that they have problems with the SAFC and the 3rd gen's computer...meh

All of this is really just food for thought. I understand that you are just doing a simple build using "cheap parts". But i figured i would at least throw the info out there if you or someone else was curious about other methods.

Honestly when it comes to upping the boost, and fueling etc. etc. i would do things right, no matter the cost. Those two things could easily detroy an engine if done wrong..

Anywho ill stop clogging up this thread with my post...good luck with your build man, and dont listen to what anybody says...hopefully you keep things safe though, and you get some fun out of it!!

This post has been edited by 3WayStunna: Jan 29, 2011 - 7:13 AM

[Neon90424]

...and dont listen to what anybody says...

I just thought that part was funny lol.

I have a Walbro 190LPH pump in my sand rail I can swap that out into my celica I guess wont the stock FPR do its work? what PSI is the 80% of stock limit? Also you guys are forgetting the point that im not going to be going 7000 rpm for 10 minutes...

Hi,

the main problem of a 100% duty-cicle is that the injectors gets hot as the fuel is't not longer able to cool them and in front of this they get damaged, 80% is a safe maximum

a friend of mine is driving around ~380PS (DIN) with the standart 540cc injectors, a good fuel pump, map and especially water injection is needed

you should possible go for a hybrid turbo to hit your goal, i think this is the cheapest solution as you don't have to build the whole system new

greetz

I guess you didnt read the part where I wrote Wat/Meth injection will be set up...

I already got the turbo its a twinscroll .50AR chinese piece of shart

[Sunny]

Hi,

i just want to say that it is possible with 540cc injectors but i didn't read the part where you bought the turbo

greetz

[Neon90424]

ok thank you.

So consensus is that

With Wat/Meth stock inj turbo W2A iridium spark plugs boost controller ceramic 6 puc clutch (from ACT) I can reach 350HP and into STI crushing zone ??

[bsamps4]

I absolutely love this build. I can tell in your writing that you have a great sense of humor. Best of luck.

[presure2]

ok thank you.

So consensus is that

With Wat/Meth stock inj turbo W2A iridium spark plugs boost controller ceramic 6 puc clutch (from ACT) I can reach 350HP and into STI crushing zone ??

350hp, no problem. 350whp (WHEEL hp) is going to be pushing the limits of the stock 540cc injectors.
no need for iridium spark plugs, they arnt going to gain you any hp.