Building a "Big Bore" 5sgte, '98 5sfe Block, 3rd gen 3sgte Head, 3sgte Crank Options

[presure2]

I made a thread about itchys old block on mr2oc.
Everyone seems to agree that most of that damage was more than likely caused by the motor sitting out in the weather....
sounds about right, there was water in the oil pump and what not when I pulled it apart.
Eric Hux suggested that it may be fixable by machining the surface enough to get the damage out, but possibly not 100%... not a chance I would wanna take with the goal for this motor.

Anywho,

I mocked up the 3rd gen oil pump, windage tray, water pump and water bypass lines on the 5s block, as expected, it all just bolts up.
I will need to modify the oil cooler water hardlines in and out of the oil cooler a bit, as expected.

a quick i-touch pic I took, I was actually just wasting time waiting for my cousin to arrive so I didnt have the camara with me.





Also got word that my welder is slightly delayed in shipment, it wont be arriving at the US port till april 10th.
thats actually sooner than I was hoping for considering everything thats gone on in that part of the world recently.



Once I drill and tap the holes for the upper oil pan, I'll take the 5s block off the stand, and mock it up on an AWD tranny to clearance the back of the block for the transfer case.

[Smaay]

so 3rd gen oil pump is needed, does it need modifying? what front main seal?

This post has been edited by Smaay: Mar 23, 2011 - 5:49 PM

[presure2]

yea, the 3rd gen oil pump has the parts that go with the 3rd gen upper oil pan, so you would need to use it as well i would assume. (i dont think the 2nd gen oil pump would have the coresponding holes to feed the oil feed and return for the oil filter.)
it bolts right onto the 5s block, no mods.
since all the main bores are the same, i would imagine you'd use the 3rd gen front main seal as well. i havent installed the crank other than to check bearing clearances, and then took it right back out while i've been working on the rest of the motor, i didnt want it to get damaged.
all this stuff is much easier and less complicated than i thought it would be.
you absolutly GOTTA love that!

[Smaay]

its almost...dont say it.....HONDUA easy.....aahhhh i said it. so 3rd gen oil pump, #1 and #2 oil pan, and pickup? now the million dollar question, where can i get these parts?

[presure2]

its almost...dont say it.....HONDUA easy.....aahhhh i said it. so 3rd gen oil pump, #1 and #2 oil pan, and pickup? now the million dollar question, where can i get these parts?

lol
Yea, it almost is!
3rd gen :
Oil cooler, oil pump, upper and lower pans, pickup, and Windage tray. To use the oil cooler in an oem config, you'll need the 3rd gen water pump housing and bypass lines as well.
You'll also need a 4th gen oil cooler and thru bolt, and modify the oil cooler water lines, shortening the feed side, and adding a ~8an fitting to the other side to return coolant to the back of the block on a 2nd gen, or 5s block.
As far as acquiring the parts, any of the guys who part out '4's from the uk should be able to get ya the parts, (gottagoturbo here has shipped things over for Dustin a few times) or someone here parting a blown 3rd gen, although I wouldn't wanna use an oil cooler from a blown motor.

Pt# 15100-88460 oil pump assy.
:edit:
Just checked, and you can get the whole oil pump new here for ~150$

http://www.lithiatoyotaparts.com/partlocat...p;siteid=215542

guess that's part of the reason you don't see this setup more often...unless your starting with a 3rd gen, the parts arnt just available everywhere, and they arnt gonna be the cheapest of parts when/if you do get em.

[bccentaur3]

Be ready for lots of grinding Manny. I did soo much grinding it made me a little uneasy about making power with thinned down ribs.

[Smaay]

thanks for the part # for the oil pump, now what about for the other parts. im not sure what ill do about the water pump and oil cooler

[presure2]

thanks for the part # for the oil pump, now what about for the other parts. im not sure what ill do about the water pump and oil cooler

Not to be an as$, but seriously?
Right in the same post I explain what options there are for the other parts.
I don't think you'd be able to get the complete 3rd gen water pump housing and bypass lines new, and same for the oil cooler.. Iirc the oil coolers are stupid expensive new anyway.
Your prolly gonna have to source the parts used from one of the messageboards or eBay.

Yea will, I remember threads about it... That part of the block isn't thought of as a weak spot at least.

[Smaay]

found these on toyodiy

http://www.toyodiy.com/parts/p_J_1998_TOYO...BLMVZ_1501.html
http://www.toyodiy.com/parts/p_J_1998_TOYO...BLMVZ_1105.html


12102A PAN SUB-ASSY, OIL, NO.2
12102-88460 3SG*..ST202, 205 1 $196.34

12121 PLATE, OIL PAN BAFFLE
12121-88461 3SG*..ST202, 205 1
12121-88463 3SGTE..ST205 1 $54.26

12101 PAN SUB-ASSY, OIL
12101-88480 3SGTE..ST205 1 $140.49

15708 NOZZLE, SUB-ASSY OIL, NO.1
15790-88460 3SG*..ST202, 205..CV, GT4, SS2, SS3 4 $18.10
(i dont know what this is)

15104 STRAINER SUB-ASSY, OIL
15104-88461 3SG*..ST202, 205..CV, GT4, SS2, SS3 1 $51.74

15101A SEAL (FOR CRANKSHAFT)
90311-42026 3SG*..ST202, 205..CV, GT4, SS2, SS3 1 $15.08

15100 PUMP ASSY, OIL
15100-88460 3SG*..ST202, 205 1 $149.12

[Ted95]

Also got word that my welder is slightly delayed in shipment, it wont be arriving at the US port till april 10th.
thats actually sooner than I was hoping for considering everything thats gone on in that part of the world recently.

[presure2]

found these on toyodiy

http://www.toyodiy.com/parts/p_J_1998_TOYO...BLMVZ_1501.html
http://www.toyodiy.com/parts/p_J_1998_TOYO...BLMVZ_1105.html


12102A PAN SUB-ASSY, OIL, NO.2
12102-88460 3SG*..ST202, 205 1 $196.34

12121 PLATE, OIL PAN BAFFLE
12121-88461 3SG*..ST202, 205 1
12121-88463 3SGTE..ST205 1 $54.26

12101 PAN SUB-ASSY, OIL
12101-88480 3SGTE..ST205 1 $140.49

15708 NOZZLE, SUB-ASSY OIL, NO.1
15790-88460 3SG*..ST202, 205..CV, GT4, SS2, SS3 4 $18.10
(i dont know what this is)

15104 STRAINER SUB-ASSY, OIL
15104-88461 3SG*..ST202, 205..CV, GT4, SS2, SS3 1 $51.74

15101A SEAL (FOR CRANKSHAFT)
90311-42026 3SG*..ST202, 205..CV, GT4, SS2, SS3 1 $15.08

15100 PUMP ASSY, OIL
15100-88460 3SG*..ST202, 205 1 $149.12

part #'s arnt the problem, its finding someone who will actually sell you these parts new. besides, who wants to pay 300+ $ for an upper and lower oil pan..lol

[Smaay]

True but at least we have them documented now.

[Smaay]

I got another question, what are you going to use to run the engine?

[presure2]

I got another question, what are you going to use to run the engine?

Jim is planning on using the power FC.

[Smaay]

are you using the ST205 head? or just wire it so the PFC will run the car? i have alot of experience with the PFC and there are some very good tutorials in the FI section of newcelica.org.

[presure2]

Of course.
Dude, please read the thread, it clearly says in the build list 3rd gen head.
I am not tuning the car.
Jim is having it tuned by someone reputable near him.

[Smaay]

Dude! there is so much on this forum, i cant keep up, but yes i should have caught that

[Ted95]

Dude! there is so much on this forum, i cant keep up, but yes i should have caught that

its been 2 pages.. lol

[Smaay]

i wasnt counting only this thread. there are alot of projects going on.

[presure2]

back from the dead!!

this week i got a load of parts to finally start getting the ball rolling on jims motor.

weisco pistons, ACL race bearings, ARP studs, ATS headgasket ect all came in wednesday.



then yesterday the porn came in.
custom exhaust and intake manifolds, both made by jeff @ racerx fabrication (www.racerxfabrication) and the precision 5857.
absolutley works of art.













today i will go out and drill the holes for the oil feed, and the oil pan, and get ready to grind the back of the block for clearance for the AWD tranny.
then next week ill take the block down to the machine shop for machine work.

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