Bin Laden dead, Bought the farm Options

[BonzaiCelica]

sorrry but I just had to haha

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssuAMNas1us...feature=related

[malpaso]

sorrry but I just had to haha

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssuAMNas1us...feature=related

Do not know how funny what is said inside is but if that Danish scientist (Niels Harrit) is right I would not laugh at all... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_tf25lx_3o

...and one more post "dead BL picture" related:



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This post has been edited by malpaso: May 3, 2011 - 6:50 AM

[95CelicaST]

Yeah that picture is a fake. That has been proven.

I think that the people are going to want to see real pictures. We know we killed saddam because a video surfaced of his hanging.

Personally I don't care, but americans want closure, and simply taking the government's word isn't closure.

[Supersprynt]

What was the real reason?

The war and the economy downturn are 2 separate occurrences, they aren't related. Pics will eventually link on to the internet, but can the conspiracy theories please stop?

economy has EVERYTHING to do with war good buddy, Economy = money Wars cost money... what dont we have at the moment? money. money into something more constructive than chasing a guy around and loosing 4400 american soliers on top of the people we lost on 9/11 aint worth that dirtbag bin laden. I just wont believe that the WTC can fall down on its self PERFECTLY after only burning a couple hours. not to mention several friends of mine live not too far from WTC, and they told me they heard the explosions THEN the building went down. but im not going to start with the conspiracy theories....

You just lost all credibility with me. You're one of those "Loose Change" believers huh?

In 2001 when we were attacked, we retaliated. The economy wasn't a factor in this decision. There wasn't a choice. 8 years later the economy takes a ****, and you what, want to up and leave the area? You can't just do that. You can't go in looking for blood and leave without it. We went in for Osama, and weren't going to leave until we had him. Iraq was bull****, we can all agree on that. Those 4400, well 4424 to be exact, were Operation Iraqi Freedom, not Operation Enduring Freedom, which was the Afghan mission. We lost 1,461 in Afghanistan. Those 4424 were unnecessary, and I was/am totally against going into Iraq. It was based on lies and that isn't up for debate.

You already started with conspiracy theories. There were NO explosives in the WTC, the buildings fell down, not perfectly, they fell. Did you want them to fall down like a tree or something? Do actually think the Pentagon was hit with a missile? You people say "don't believe what the government tells you" but you believe a video made by some kid from Oneonta, NY. I lived in Oneonta, or it's monicre: Stoneonta, and that's enough to keep me skeptical.

To seriously believe that the government had a hand in 4 planes being hijacked, 2 driven into the tallest buildings in NYC, killing thousands, just to what... start a war? Get oil? It's ludicrous. It's ludicrous to think such a terrible event was orchestrated by MANY people who didn't have a problem with it, and didn't come out and say YES this was all so-and-so's idea. Eyewitnesses said they heard explosions? Eyewitnesses see UFOs, Bigfoot, Nessie, ghosts, and what else have you on a daily basis.

Cliff notes: Osama is dead, we killed him. Why wasn't he already? Because a$$holes like that never die soon enough. 9/11 wasn't a conspiracy.

This post has been edited by Supersprynt: May 3, 2011 - 9:30 AM

[Supersprynt]

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This post has been edited by Supersprynt: May 3, 2011 - 12:08 PM

[easternpiro1]

calm down calm down... so youre saying with all the holes and unsaid things that went on, this is a conspiracy? im sure u saw the video someone posted earlier about building 7. at first i thought it was bullcrap too, i didnt know 7 collapsed. why would an untouched building collapse?! just askin...




and by the way. there are evil people in this world, and to turn a blind eye or to underestimate ANYBODY is a biiig mistake.

as far as the economy, im just saying $$ spent elsewhere hurts nonetheless.

you said yourself the iraq war was based off a lie... do you really think that people (Our govt officals) that lie about getting into a unecessary war wouldnt lie about 911?! i dont know exactly WHY they would lie but i DO know that War makes money for a select few, and cheney and bush are good buddies with those select few.


im done. continue thread, ignore me trying to do what this country was based on... QUESTIONING AUTHORITY.

btw... im not mad@ u super, i like ya!

[Supersprynt]

I'm calm and I don't have a problem with you at all. This is spirited discussion is all.

Building 7 was affected by the towers falling, and started fires. The end result was damage to structural integrity, causing the building to fall.

The Iraq invasion was based upon the idea that Hussein had weapons capable of mass destruction. He didn't; so that was the lie. I can't claim to know whether Bush knew of this or was just told of the misinformation. Whatever happened, it was bad intelligence and maybe some Bush, Sr. influence crept in. The end result was the death of Hussein, but the cost was pretty high considering the state of Iraq in the first place.

[SupraKid]

You can't go in looking for blood and leave without it.

Obviously you can.That war in the 60s proved that.

I think Osama was not killed 2 days ago, i don't doubt that he may actually be dead, but it wasn't 2 days ago. The whole "omg 9/11 was all the government" conspiracy is BS, i mean its been almost 10 years and no one has found any hard evidence linking any government agency to the terrorists. Do I think the government had anything to do with it?no. Do i think they used it in their own best interests to invade the middle east.Yes.

This post has been edited by SupraKid: May 3, 2011 - 1:06 PM

[lagos]

I think osama died the way they said he did. I don't see any evidence to disprove that beyond just being skeptical about everything.

As for 9/11, planes flew into those two buildings. There is no denying that.
As for that causing 3 buildings to collapse the way that they did.... as an engineering student, I have some doubts about that.
If the question to find the falling rate of a pancake collapsing building came up on a physics test, I can tell you for sure that the answer would not be 9.8m/s^2.

This post has been edited by lagos: May 3, 2011 - 1:49 PM

[Supersprynt]

You can't go in looking for blood and leave without it.

Obviously you can.That war in the 60s proved that.

I think Osama was not killed 2 days ago, i don't doubt that he may actually be dead, but it wasn't 2 days ago. The whole "omg 9/11 was all the government" conspiracy is BS, i mean its been almost 10 years and no one has found any hard evidence linking any government agency to the terrorists. Do I think the government had anything to do with it?no. Do i think they used it in their own best interests to invade the middle east.Yes.

What? I'm guessing that you mean the Vietnam War? That took place from '55 to '75, and we didn't go in looking for blood, we went in trying to prevent Communist take over of South Vietnam. There's a bit of a difference in there.

May I ask why you think Osama was not killed 2 days ago?

[SupraKid]

Because back in 2001 we knew that he had health problems(i think kidney), i cant imagine a 44 year old in his condition, even with his astronomical connections to be able to evade the force of the US military for 10 more years. Also I find it hard to believe that after 10 years not one person said anything about his whereabouts to claim the 100,000$ reward, not to mention that hundreds if not thousands of mail mary bombings we did of the mountains and caves. I'm not saying that its impossible that he was killed 2 days ago, it just seems like the Government finally released this news with some ulterior motive.

This post has been edited by SupraKid: May 3, 2011 - 2:40 PM

[Supersprynt]

Just as we "knew" there were WMDs in Iraq? People were kept in the dark about his whereabouts, Al Qaeda included. Not to mention, if you ever watched say, Restrepo, the locals are scared sh!tless of these people. Sure, we bombed caves in Afghanistan... but look where he turned up. An affluent town deep in Pakistan. No where near where we were "bombing".

It's like the mafia, nobody talks to the police for fear of getting rubbed out.

This post has been edited by Supersprynt: May 3, 2011 - 2:49 PM

[BonzaiCelica]

do you believe in anything the Bible says!? a simple yes or no answer and I will stop bugging you.

This post has been edited by BonzaiCelica: May 3, 2011 - 8:26 PM

[easternpiro1]

the simple fact that those buildings fell the way they did made me question. the simple fact that a building NOT HIT fell the way it did made me question even more. yes a plane hit those buildings, jet fuel does not burn hot enough to cause steel to melt. and when it collapsed, why was all the rubble IMMEDIATELY destroyed and not heard of again?! i mean JEEEZ a plane crashes and they put the WHOLE DAMN PLANE back together with pieces they find to see what the cause was even AFTER they know through black box info. WHY IN THE HELL did they not do that with the building.... more suspicion. dont say that its obvious that the building was hit by a plane either lol. dosent looking at that video that someone posted make you A LITTLE suspicious?

You can't go in looking for blood and leave without it.

Obviously you can.That war in the 60s proved that.

I think Osama was not killed 2 days ago, i don't doubt that he may actually be dead, but it wasn't 2 days ago. The whole "omg 9/11 was all the government" conspiracy is BS, i mean its been almost 10 years and no one has found any hard evidence linking any government agency to the terrorists. Do I think the government had anything to do with it?no. Do i think they used it in their own best interests to invade the middle east.Yes.

I think osama died the way they said he did. I don't see any evidence to disprove that beyond just being skeptical about everything.

As for 9/11, planes flew into those two buildings. There is no denying that.
As for that causing 3 buildings to collapse the way that they did.... as an engineering student, I have some doubts about that.
If the question to find the falling rate of a pancake collapsing building came up on a physics test, I can tell you for sure that the answer would not be 9.8m/s^2.

THANK YOU art!! and that right there is enough cause for suspicion! (not to mention the explosive bits found in the dust of the WTC collapse)

do you believe in anything the Bible says!? a simple yes or no answer and I will stop bugging you.

bonzai celica... that is probably the best argument ive heard on here.... and im not even going to get into that one....

This post has been edited by easternpiro1: May 3, 2011 - 11:58 PM

[BonzaiCelica]

people will believe what they want to and persuading someone to believe in something else while your sitting behind a computer screen is like winning the lotto

[malpaso]

FOLKS! I bet many, many of you here are patriots and believe in a lot of things. For someone who believe is very hard even think about any other option... I have learned during my short life not everything is that clear as it seems and nothing is just black or white (period). I really respect you believe in anything. Just please do not try to make be believe the same and PLEASE do not be angry on me if I have doubts...

[Supersprynt]

The Bible is irrelevant. Not sure why it's being brought up and it's certainly not the best argument. Explain your reasoning and perhaps we can have a proper argument about it. This isn't about religion, so you're point should certainly be able to be made with different subject matter.

Building 7 was damaged by falling debris and started a fire. Feel like I'm repeating myself here.

Lots of the steel in the buildings was recycled. Did you actually just say to put a building back together after it collapsed...?

When I first saw "Loose Change" it did bring up some questions, but then I did more research, and Loose Change is full of misinformation and conjecture. Explosive bits? Please tell me you're not talking about the Copenhagen guy who wouldn't let anybody else see the samples or confirm his findings.

Yes, people believe what they want to. That's the whole problem. They don't pay attention to facts and sound argument; they cover their ears and yell I CAN'T HEAAAAAAAAAAR YOUUUUUUUUUUU! If someone were to bring some sort of evidence to contrary that can be replicated and confirmed by multiple scientific processes then I can certainly change my opinion. But watching "Loose Change" and thinking you know something from some kid who started making the film based on fiction is a far cry from compelling evidence.

This post has been edited by Supersprynt: May 4, 2011 - 10:21 AM

[easternpiro1]

The Bible is irrelevant. Not sure why it's being brought up and it's certainly not the best argument. Explain your reasoning and perhaps we can have a proper argument about it. This isn't about religion, so you're point should certainly be able to be made with different subject matter.

Building 7 was damaged by falling debris and started a fire. Feel like I'm repeating myself here.

Lots of the steel in the buildings was recycled. Did you actually just say to put a building back together after it collapsed...?

When I first saw "Loose Change" it did bring up some questions, but then I did more research, and Loose Change is full of misinformation and conjecture. Explosive bits? Please tell me you're not talking about the Copenhagen guy who wouldn't let anybody else see the samples or confirm his findings.

Yes, people believe what they want to. That's the whole problem. They don't pay attention to facts and sound argument; they cover their ears and yell I CAN'T HEAAAAAAAAAAR YOUUUUUUUUUUU! If someone were to bring some sort of evidence to contrary that can be replicated and confirmed by multiple scientific processes then I can certainly change my opinion. But watching "Loose Change" and thinking you know something from some kid who started making the film based on fiction is a far cry from compelling evidence.

Ok, im a firm believer in christ, but thats not the argument i aggree with part of your statement.

a building fell on itself in THAT manner (almost exactly like a controlled demolition) because debris fell on it? that dosent seem physically sound.

i didnt mean put a building back together, that would be crazy. i was comparing it to how in depth they investigate a plane crash, in comparison to the building collapse. I know they recycled the material... BUT GOT DAMN!! the metal was still hot when they did it!!! (isnt it suspicous how quick they hauled it off? and no im not expecting them to keep it forever.

im not going off of loose change, im going off of several family members who spent years in the demolition business THAT WERE THERE that said there was a WHOLE lot of funny business going on, not to mention, how the building fell, where it fell, and the excuses given when talking with business associates helping with the clean up process.

The scientific evidience of a builing in freefall, or the melting point of steel, or the maximum burning capacity of jet fuel werent enough to be suspicious?

But anyway, isnt it cool how bin laden was living half a mile from a military academy? lol... talk about hiding in plain sight! I wonder how long he was there?

lol @ jon stewart saying he wasnt "hiding" he was chillin!!

[SupraKid]

Haha amazing, immediate Burial at sea, no photos, yea they definitely killed him. Obama chooses not to release photos

This post has been edited by SupraKid: May 4, 2011 - 1:30 PM

[lagos]

Haha amazing, immediate Burial at sea, no photos, yea they definitely killed him. Obama chooses not to release photos

Think of it this way. Real or not, the IDEA of Bin Laden is dead... and that is a good thing.
You will never see America blaming him for anything else and you will never see him taking credit for anything he did or didn't do. And in that sense, yes they did kill him.