ST to GT? Options

[Miku-]

Hi guys!

The Celica what i have is 94 ST 1.8 7A-FE (body is in really good condition) and i was thinking of buying GT (cheap one) from Germany (taxfree) so i could take the engine and other parts from it into my ST.

The question is:

Does anyone know where is listed all the differences between ST and GT?

or

if someone knows what are the parts what needed to be taken off from GT to making ST "same".. that would be a big help for starting the project



Thanks!

This post has been edited by Miku-: Jul 3, 2011 - 8:38 PM

[dudeofchaos]

I don't have any listing of the differences but the main things I know are:
Engine
tranny
suspention/steering
wheels
brakes

In fact it's not the same car at all. Pretty much like comparing a Gt4 to the usdm Gt.

[RabidTRD]

You're better off getting a whole GT. It's a pain in the ass to do all the conversions necessary with an ST model.

Starting off:
GT has:
4 Wheel ABS and disk breaks
Different suspension
Front strut stabilizer bar
5S-FE, 3S-FE, 3S-GE and a different tranny
15" Alloy rims
Sunroof
Usually comes in a 5 speed
Side hugging bucket seats
Larger exhaust


You even have to make a new mount location for the 5S, 3S to fit. You'd be better off finding a GT shell and putting in a 3S-GTE or BEAMS engine

[richee3]

The suspension isn't necessarily different. The biggest difference is the motor/tranny and motor mounts, and the GT typically (but not necessarily) came with more options- disc brakes all around, some came with a sports suspension package, 15" alloys, and that's basically about it. There's a huge difference between the ST/GT and GT4, and there's a big difference in suspension between the ST/GT and the SS-I/II/III.

[Miku-]

Okay thanks for the information!

in my ST, i already have ABS and disc brakes all-around, sunroof, 5 speed manual.. but maybe in GT discs are larger?

Anyway, sounds like a big project..so need to see if i do it at all..

If there would be just something like motor change and some little changes like gauge, exhaust, wiring harnesses... then i would continue..


It's just funny that i can bring the whole car and take parts from it taxfree, but if i want to use it..then need to pay tax and here it's a lot

This post has been edited by Miku-: Jul 4, 2011 - 12:15 AM

[NYp8tBaller07]

I think the st is a better overall car than the gt; many of the same components, lighter, power on earlier, better mpg. Also faster around a tight track in some cases

[RabidTRD]

Okay thanks for the information!

in my ST, i already have ABS and disc brakes all-around, sunroof, 5 speed manual.. but maybe in GT discs are larger?

Anyway, sounds like a big project..so need to see if i do it at all..

If there would be just something like motor change and some little changes like gauge, exhaust, wiring harnesses... then i would continue..


It's just funny that i can bring the whole car and take parts from it taxfree, but if i want to use it..then need to pay tax and here it's a lot

I didn't realize those actually existed. Maybe your car was suppose to be a ST204 but they ran out of 5S-FE's lmao.

[Panic]

I think the Euro ST must be different to the USDM because my ST has ABS and Discs all round sunroof and a 5 speed manual as well and so has every other Ive seen come to think of it

[Cs91]

Hello, I am currently doing this swap in norway together with Iceman22 that has done it to his car. On the european model ST there aren´t that much u need to change, but u need a parts car!

Differences:
Engine
ECU and wiring loom
Front brakes
Exhaust is 2" on GT and 1,75 on ST
Drive shafts
Transmission
Engine mounts, but they bolt in the same holes in the engine bay, so its really easy.

Rear brakes are the same.
My ST had ABS, and the UK GT st202 jap import did NOT have ABS.

At the moment my cars are shells as im waiting for a new clutch to the 3SGE.

The suspension WILL be different if you buy a SSIII.

[Galcobar]

European Celicas did not get the 5SFE (ST204) -- they got the 3SGE (ST202) in equivalent models.

ST was the lower-end vehicle, but certainly could be provided with options. Dealer versions sometimes carried the STX badge to indicate they had all the bells and whistles except the engine. Regional preferences will lead to certain configurations, such as manual over automatic, being more popular in some areas.

[SupraKid]

You're better off getting a whole GT. It's a pain in the ass to do all the conversions necessary with an ST model.

Starting off:
GT has:
4 Wheel ABS and disk brakes
Different suspension
Front strut stabilizer bar
5S-FE, 3S-FE, 3S-GE and a different tranny
15" Alloy rims
Sunroof
Usually comes in a 5 speed
Side hugging bucket seats
Larger exhaust


You even have to make a new mount location for the 5S, 3S to fit. You'd be better off finding a GT shell and putting in a 3S-GTE or BEAMS engine

Edited. The GT brakes are a HUGE upgrade over the ST brakes, as well as the 5sfe being a bit more powerful. Other than that its not noticeable.

[celicamojo]

GT is a better car than the ST, easier to buy one and spend the money improving an already better car!

More fun swapping bits over however. plus you know how good your car already is, so could save any 'wish I hadn't' moments.


This post has been edited by celicamojo: Jul 17, 2011 - 1:38 PM