V6 Conversion, gearbox |
V6 Conversion, gearbox |
Dec 14, 2011 - 5:38 PM |
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Enthusiast Joined Dec 14, '11 From Sydney Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Hey guys,
I thinking about doing the V6 camry engine conversion on a 1990 SX. Just wondering dose anyone know if the ST185 gearbox will fit to any camry engine. i was hoping convert her to AWD. Cheers Guys |
Dec 14, 2011 - 5:49 PM |
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 23, '11 From kenton ohio Currently Offline Reputation: 14 (100%) |
the stock s54 trans from a gt will bolt to the 3zv 1mz an 3stgte so I would assume that the ad trans would work om a v6 too
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Dec 14, 2011 - 6:51 PM |
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Enthusiast Joined Dec 8, '03 From Lancaster CA Currently Offline Reputation: 6 (100%) |
not again -------------------- 2001 Celica GT-S Turbo
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Dec 14, 2011 - 8:04 PM |
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Enthusiast Joined Jan 19, '11 From Paraguay, Winchestertonfieldville Currently Offline Reputation: 1 (100%) |
newbies should be unable to create a thread without using the search function atleast 10 times
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Dec 14, 2011 - 9:14 PM |
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 23, '11 From kenton ohio Currently Offline Reputation: 14 (100%) |
Im working on doing a v6 swap too
there is info on hear about it yrs you can search an find this info but its still not super clear an the sticky don't give alot of info eather I chose to stick with the s54 to swap the awd trans in you'll need a flywheel an pressure plate to match motor an clutch disc to match trans at you'll also need gt4 mounts an a custom pass side mount and the wiring is little bit of a nightmare from what I've been told so far good luck with your swap -------------------- 95 gt coupe, v6 swap weekend toy
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Dec 14, 2011 - 9:59 PM |
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Enthusiast Joined Apr 24, '08 From Orange County, CA Currently Offline Reputation: 33 (100%) |
newbies should be unable to create a thread without using the search function atleast 10 times haha ya right lets move this to the website discussion thread for voting. Mods??? -------------------- Group buy to replicate Narrow E series transaxle parts
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Dec 14, 2011 - 10:14 PM |
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Enthusiast Joined Dec 14, '11 From Sydney Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Im working on doing a v6 swap too there is info on hear about it yrs you can search an find this info but its still not super clear an the sticky don't give alot of info eather I chose to stick with the s54 to swap the awd trans in you'll need a flywheel an pressure plate to match motor an clutch disc to match trans at you'll also need gt4 mounts an a custom pass side mount and the wiring is little bit of a nightmare from what I've been told so far good luck with your swap Thanks mate not again im sure if it bothers you that much you could choose not to reply or discard it from your memory |
Dec 14, 2011 - 10:48 PM |
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 23, '11 From kenton ohio Currently Offline Reputation: 14 (100%) |
newbies should be unable to create a thread without using the search function atleast 10 times haha ya right lets move this to the website discussion thread for voting. Mods??? you make it sound like you've never asked a stupid question everyone has at some point in time if you don't like it then don't respond -------------------- 95 gt coupe, v6 swap weekend toy
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Dec 15, 2011 - 5:21 AM |
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Enthusiast Joined Dec 14, '11 From Sydney Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
newbies should be unable to create a thread without using the search function atleast 10 times haha ya right lets move this to the website discussion thread for voting. Mods??? you make it sound like you've never asked a stupid question everyone has at some point in time if you don't like it then don't respond Exactly, cheers mate. though looking back it was pretty stupid. |
Dec 15, 2011 - 4:16 PM |
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Enthusiast Joined Mar 13, '09 From Constanta, Romania Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
I am wondering why in the world would you need a V6 swap, when a 3sgte swap is better? What is the advantage of dropping in a V6 engine?
Let.s count: -less power; -more work to do; -more expensive swap, including the custom work and parts needed (engine mounts, clutch etc.); -more expensive taxes (in some states); -harder to do it legally (in most european states, as far as I know). The guy who did it the first time (SnapshotGT, I think) is an exception. He did something that nobody ever did before, which is worth the effort (IMO); how about the rest of you guys? You ALSO want to do something that nobody else did before, EXCEPT FOR SNAPSHOTGT and some other guys? What is the gain in this? Even if you think it.s cheaper for you (since you pobably have found a cheap V6 engine or you already have it or something), I think you should probably think twice about this kind of swap. Good luck, no matter what you choose! -------------------- |
Dec 15, 2011 - 4:26 PM |
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Moderator Joined Jun 29, '08 From Denver Currently Offline Reputation: 59 (100%) |
Power delivery is way better with a V6 than the 3S, plus immediate torque. I see the benefits of a V6 swap.
However, like you, I'd go for the 3S. Cheaper and easier by far. -------------------- "Employ your time in improving yourself by other men's writings, so that you shall gain easily what others labored hard for." -Socrates. Even Socrates told us to use the search button!
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Dec 15, 2011 - 5:55 PM |
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 23, '11 From kenton ohio Currently Offline Reputation: 14 (100%) |
I don't see how a 3s is cheaper my v6 swap is looking to cost around may 1900
I found a good v6 for 550 an wiring is 400 that my new u pipe will cost 70 an im going to make my own pass side mount im reusing the s54 an the clutch isn't that bad im sure I read somewhere the s54 flywheel can be modded to work (not 100%including sure though) the v6 doesn't have that much less power if you tune ot little with a good exhaust an intake plus you can walk intoany autoparts store an buy what you need to fix it not guess work or wait for parts to pass customs that seem well worth it to me plus you don't have to wait for the n/a v6 to spool up like a 3sgte an they can make just as much (if not more power )the as a 3s canseems worth while to me but everyone has there own opinion -------------------- 95 gt coupe, v6 swap weekend toy
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Dec 15, 2011 - 11:01 PM |
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Moderator Joined Jun 29, '08 From Denver Currently Offline Reputation: 59 (100%) |
^^ I agree with most of that, apart from the total cost of the swap and the ease. $1,900 is a little low for a V6 swap, though I'm hoping you can stick to that budget and make it happen. A proper 3S-GTE swap will cost around $4-5,000, and a V6 swap could easily hit that and more if a few mistakes happen. The most important bit is the ease of swapping in a 3S-GTE. It's been done over and over and over, so there's very little gray areas in the swap. It's well known. Doing the V6 swap, you're almost on your own. It's barely been done, so you could very easily encounter an unknown problem. What it boils down to is budget, preference, and mechanical ability. Both swaps have their benefits.
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Dec 16, 2011 - 12:51 AM |
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 23, '11 From kenton ohio Currently Offline Reputation: 14 (100%) |
The reason mine is staying on such a low budget is because I have a gt so im reusing my trans axle mounts shift cables
I already have a 2.5 inch exhaust so already having alot of the need stuff helps if you have a st an need all that (like Stephen_lee) it will cost alot more plus im not rebuilding the engine the only thing yet that might run the price up is the clutch is there any difference between a 3s an a 5s flywheel? -------------------- 95 gt coupe, v6 swap weekend toy
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Dec 16, 2011 - 2:01 AM |
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Enthusiast Joined Dec 14, '11 From Sydney Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
In some cases money isnt that much of an issue, better spending it on a car then pissing it out on a friday night. im more doing it for a project and i love celica's. yes it might be harder but the satisfaction of knowing you did it will be pretty awesome.
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Dec 16, 2011 - 8:42 AM |
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Enthusiast Joined Apr 17, '11 From nc Currently Offline Reputation: 1 (100%) |
and to reiterate: having a 3rd gen 3s-ge in the states is such a ****ing hassle. you can't get parts without jumping thru a million hoops, and they cost way more then they're worth.
it's a good motor, but a giant pain in the ass. |
Dec 16, 2011 - 9:17 AM |
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Enthusiast Joined Mar 15, '07 From Tennessee Currently Offline Reputation: 52 (100%) |
Just because it has not been frequently done, does not mean it cant be done.
an NA V6 engine IMO would be better than 3sgte, not because its more power, but i just dont like the idea of messing with turbo, period, im not a turbo fan. and plus a V6 in the states has more parts readily available, and less expensive, yes we can get parts from the 3sgte, but i dont like messing with turbo engines. -------------------- Learned a lot in 10 years... I hardly log in anymore, last login Today Sept 6 2019, and I was forced just to clarify a post. LOL
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Dec 16, 2011 - 12:00 PM |
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Enthusiast Joined Mar 22, '07 From Houston, TX Currently Offline Reputation: 4 (100%) |
turbos are extra parts. more stuff to go wrong..
cost of a v6 is lower. period. they can be gotten locally... i paid 400 for my v6 + e53. then another 450 for my LSD. then maybe another 200 for axles. 100 for shift cables and mounts. if i didnt want LSD it would be 400 + 80 for axles +100 mounts and shift cables. so motor set for... 600, and misc parts 1000-2000 total v6 swap w/o lsd 1600-2600...... the cost of getting a 3s imported alone. total v6 w/ lsd 2000-3000 total v6 w/ s54 1400-2400 and add 500 for a wiring harness if you dont want to do it yourself so anywhere between 1400 and 3000 BUT as stated youre basically on your own.. little info compared to the 3s swap. -------------------- QUOTE "And, as always, your friendship, help, and dedication to the advancement of Texas Celica dominance is GREATLY appreciated. Thanks bro." -DEATH 1994 GT: V6 swap, 5speed E53 W/ LSD, All Power, now RED 1995 ST: SOLD @273k miles, Auto, all power, CarPC, White 1994 ST: Totaled, 5spd, all power, Red RIP 07/09/09 @ 241,810 1994 Lexus LS400: This is my new DD |
Dec 16, 2011 - 12:04 PM |
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Enthusiast Joined Mar 22, '07 From Houston, TX Currently Offline Reputation: 4 (100%) |
also about the awd trans... It will bolt up to the engine as its essentially an e153. BUT the transfer case interferes with the block. Its not much, and with careful grinding, it will fit fine.
-------------------- QUOTE "And, as always, your friendship, help, and dedication to the advancement of Texas Celica dominance is GREATLY appreciated. Thanks bro." -DEATH 1994 GT: V6 swap, 5speed E53 W/ LSD, All Power, now RED 1995 ST: SOLD @273k miles, Auto, all power, CarPC, White 1994 ST: Totaled, 5spd, all power, Red RIP 07/09/09 @ 241,810 1994 Lexus LS400: This is my new DD |
Dec 19, 2011 - 1:43 AM |
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Enthusiast Joined May 4, '05 From western MD/NOVA Currently Offline Reputation: 2 (100%) |
also about the awd trans... It will bolt up to the engine as its essentially an e153. BUT the transfer case interferes with the block. Its not much, and with careful grinding, it will fit fine. still waiting to see who is going to do the 2GRFE in a celi with GT4 AWD drive train... (and perhaps + turbo!!!) No car on the road would have that configuration. AWD V6, (posible turbo) 2dr lift back, light. -------------------- |
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