Installed RacingBeat Rear Links, ..goodbye TwosRUs Options

[azian_advanced]

nvm

This post has been edited by azian_advanced: Aug 2, 2010 - 10:53 AM

[BonzaiCelica]

how about these for the front sway bar links??? they should be better than the two's r us????

http://cgi.ebay.com/FRONT-SWAY-BAR-END-LIN...=item45f832621b

[HectortheRican]

how about these for the front sway bar links??? they should be better than the two's r us????

http://cgi.ebay.com/FRONT-SWAY-BAR-END-LIN...=item45f832621b

I dunno, but they sure don't LOOK better than the Twos R Us ones. Lol. Plus they aren't adjustable.

[BonzaiCelica]

how about these for the front sway bar links??? they should be better than the two's r us????

http://cgi.ebay.com/FRONT-SWAY-BAR-END-LIN...=item45f832621b

I dunno, but they sure don't LOOK better than the Twos R Us ones. Lol. Plus they aren't adjustable.

hmm ya they look like the thickness of stock ones. I'll just go with two's r us up front just to be safe as other members have used them with good results.

[HectortheRican]

hmm ya they look like the thickness of stock ones. I'll just go with two's r us up front just to be safe as other members have used them with good results.

I already have the Racing Beats in the rear and I'll be getting the ST185 Twos R Us fronts when I buy the F/R ST sways.

[trdproven]

Heres other cars that show they have the same front suspension end links. maybe someone would want to research if these other cars have good aftermarket ones. i kinda doubt cus the rest are grocery getters but something to take a look at. you just have to figure out between the cars if the fronts or rears is the same because you could use a front link for a rear link in another car, depends.

Anyway whats a good endlink vs cost of regular ones. I found these for a 5th gen, http://www.ebay.com/itm/CELICA-ST182-ST184...=item20c4e54dff. It looks like its mixing the bushing arm type end link to make it fit our right angle end links. Less of a spherical movement now and just more of a damn bushing to be honest from the picture - similar to racingbeat. What are you guys thoughts on the design? OR get the Mevotechs that are basically OEM replacements that are Beefier. http://www.6gc.net/forums/lofiversion/inde...73360-2650.html

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This post has been edited by trdproven: Apr 22, 2012 - 7:20 PM

[jordisonjr]

http://www.gt4-racing.eu/index.php/toyota-...-sway-bar-links

Here's some for the front and rear.

[trdproven]

the design concept sounds good because you dont have to worry about adjusting it correctly and it comes with upgraded bushings. OEM are just OEMs and Racing beat/twosrus are adjustable, stronger links but i guess I don't really need the adjustability part, unless that affects how much lower you can go.

[jordisonjr]

I don't think so.
I but the adjustable oens from twos r us, and they are adjustable.
I'm not even sure why or how you would need to adjust them, or what benefit it would have.

I simply installed them right out of the box, as is and haven't touched them since.
How would adjusting them benefit you?

[SwissFerdi]

Doesn't the relation between the two end link mounts change in coordination with the "height" of the suspension setup? Roughly speaking, OEM suspension setup will take a longer end link, whereas using coilovers to lower will require a shorter endlink?

This post has been edited by SwissFerdi: Apr 22, 2012 - 9:49 PM

[trdproven]

^ thats the general concept, the other thing is how much do you adjust besides shortening them because of the lowered ride height, im guessing when studs become horizontal while the car is on the ground or on flat.

[Syaoran]

Doesn't the relation between the two end link mounts change in coordination with the "height" of the suspension setup? Roughly speaking, OEM suspension setup will take a longer end link, whereas using coilovers to lower will require a shorter endlink?

No.

[trdproven]

^ actually, it is common to use shorter endlinks especially when your car is lowered. if not, you have both studs stressing pointing down or up. you can feel the stress they take in order to put them on. I only noticed this on my 7th gen, and it is common talk on forums.

[azian_advanced]

the links need to be of equal length so that the sway bar isn't pre-stressed.
while pre-stressing is not necessarily a bad thing, it just means that you won't get the same roll stiffness doing LH turns as you would doing RH turns (and vice versa).

they're also adjustable so that you can change the direction of force the end link is putting on the sway bar the moment you start getting body roll.
ideally, you want the link to be 90 degrees with the sway bar where it meets the sway bar bushings. it'll allow more torque to transfer from one end of the sway bar bushing to the next during cornering.
basically, it'll maximize the performance of the sway bar.


i made a diagram to show the angle i'm referring to.




during auto-cross events where you're always cornering left and right & putting more cornering loads on the suspension, it'll be better to have it at a slightly higher angle.
for example, if at maximum cornering load the angle (in the picture) reaches a minimum of 86 degrees which is when the suspension achieves its highest length of travel giving you a maximum deflection angle of 4 degrees (90-86=4), then it would be better to have it set to around 92 degrees when static (90+4/2=92) so that deflection angles range between 88-92 degrees and always maximizing the anti-roll performance of your set-up.

This post has been edited by azian_advanced: Apr 23, 2012 - 10:11 AM

[Culpable04]

^ because of that reason, if you ever take your car to be corner balanced for a racing setup ( or DD pleasure lol ) you'll be require to have adjustable end links along with coilovers. the end links are used to transfer small weight loads from side to side to " balanced " the weight distribution of the car.

[trdproven]

but what are the advantages between spherical and this bushing bolt type? would it be alright to get the GT4 Racing endlinks that have poly bushings but no adjustability?

This post has been edited by trdproven: Apr 23, 2012 - 5:10 PM

[azian_advanced]

the ball-joint type endlinks allow some independent suspension travel before any torque is transmitted through the sway bar. they're ideal for a more comfortable ride especially if you hit bumpy roads often.

the good thing about TwosRUs links are that they have adjustable lengths so that you can adjust the amount of suspension travel but the ball joint's degree of rotation is a little high if you're already on lowering springs and especially if you're on coilovers since suspension travel is already shortened.

those gt4 racing endlinks are not only non-adjustable but they're also overpriced. the racingbeat links are half the price, adjustable, and have better quality judging from the pics.

This post has been edited by azian_advanced: Apr 23, 2012 - 8:57 PM

[trdproven]

i looked at the racingbeat ones and they seem to be more expensive 65, vs gt4 ones at 50some. which ones are they and arent they only for the rears?

i might end up getting the beefier Mevotechs, idk yet.

[TerBeau]

Didn't read farther but will the sway bars fit too? Just curious

[Syaoran]

^ actually, it is common to use shorter endlinks especially when your car is lowered. if not, you have both studs stressing pointing down or up. you can feel the stress they take in order to put them on. I only noticed this on my 7th gen, and it is common talk on forums.

They are not necessary. They would not be stressed unless presented with excessive lowering, which in turn would mean a decrease in performance. Lowering the car too much doesn't necessarily make it handle better, also "common talk on forums". Aftermarket endlinks are only needed for a road car once it has been lowered beyond what is good for performance, or when aftermarket swaybars are used, or both.