3sgte St205 vs Mr2 Options

[Amanda66]

Ok guys I wana know if the 3sgte out of an MR2 is a direct bolt in to my 97 Celica ST. Please help. I've been told so many different things.

[Syaoran]

No.

You'll also need a transmission.

3S-GTE will bolt in to a GT Celica with the 5S-FE engine and the S54 5-speed trans on the GT Celicas is compatible with the 3S-GTE.

[Smaay]

for the amount of money you are going to spend on a 3S-GTE swap, you will spend half on a V6 swap

[Amanda66]

No.

You'll also need a transmission.

3S-GTE will bolt in to a GT Celica with the 5S-FE engine and the S54 5-speed trans on the GT Celicas is compatible with the 3S-GTE.

I knew I needed another transmission. I just wana know if the motor out of the MR2 is the same as the one out of an ST205.

[Box]

for the amount of money you are going to spend on a 3S-GTE swap, you will spend half on a V6 swap

Not to mention the V6 makes the same power as the 2nd gen 3S-GTE, but NO LAG.

[Syaoran]

No.

You'll also need a transmission.

3S-GTE will bolt in to a GT Celica with the 5S-FE engine and the S54 5-speed trans on the GT Celicas is compatible with the 3S-GTE.

I knew I needed another transmission. I just wana know if the motor out of the MR2 is the same as the one out of an ST205.

Yes and no.

GT-4 celicas have a 3rd gen 3S-GTE while most MR2s have a 2nd gen 3S-GTE.

If you can find a post-93 MR2, it will probably have the 3rd gen 3S-GTE.

[Box]

All USDM MR2's had the 2nd gen 3S-GTE.

[Syaoran]

All USDM MR2's had the 2nd gen 3S-GTE.

USDM only had them until 92 I believe.

[Box]

They had them until 95 when the car was discontinued for the U.S. market.

This post has been edited by Box: Sep 19, 2012 - 12:57 AM

[Amanda66]

ok so to make sure i am understanding this properly......the mr2 motor will not bolt into my car UNLESS it's after '93????

[Box]

It won't be direct unless you have a Celica that already has a S series engine. E.G. The GT with a 5S-FE.

[Xander_X]

Ugh ... confusion confusion lol. The 2nd gen 3SGTE will bolt in as long as you have a matching transmission (As you already know). The problem is with the 2nd gen, there is a bit of extra work to do with the wiring and sensors. The 3rd gen is much easier to work with as it was the generation that came out of our cars anyways. Now ALSO the engine out of the MR2 is set up a bit differently as well with some components moved around a bit and the wiring is different. Your best bet, unless someone is basically handing you a 3sgte out of an Mr2, is to get a 3rd gen IF you are dead set on a 3sgte.



This post has been edited by Xander_X: Sep 19, 2012 - 3:27 PM

[Smaay]

^^^ perfect answer

[Amanda66]

Ugh ... confusion confusion lol. The 2nd gen 3SGTE will bolt in as long as you have a matching transmission (As you already know). The problem is with the 2nd gen, there is a bit of extra work to do with the wiring and sensors. The 3rd gen is much easier to work with as it was the generation that came out of our cars anyways. Now ALSO the engine out of the MR2 is set up a bit differently as well with some components moved around a bit and the wiring is different. Your best bet, unless someone is basically handing you a 3sgte out of an Mr2, is to get a 3rd gen IF you are dead set on a 3sgte.

ok so next questions are:
what years are 3rd gen?
and can i do this in my st?

thank you

[Xander_X]

1994 - 1999 ST205
1995 - 1999 SW20

And I think we already covered whether it would FIT in your ST or not. The ST is the same chassis as the GT so yes it will FIT. But you'll have to do some extra work than you would have to do in a GT. There are stickies up for the 3SGTE swap, plenty of threads you can check out and follow of other who have done it and people willing to help you with the details as you begin and finish it. Do some research, google the **** out of the engine and swap, learn EVERYTHING you can before you get too involved.

[lagos]

for the amount of money you are going to spend on a 3S-GTE swap, you will spend half on a V6 swap

Not to mention the V6 makes the same power as the 2nd gen 3S-GTE, but NO LAG.

I'm going to take a wild guess and say that you have never actually driven a 3sgte powered Celica.

[Amanda66]

for the amount of money you are going to spend on a 3S-GTE swap, you will spend half on a V6 swap

Not to mention the V6 makes the same power as the 2nd gen 3S-GTE, but NO LAG.

I'm going to take a wild guess and say that you have never actually driven a 3sgte powered Celica.

I've ridden in my friend Kevin's Celica and he did the 3SGTE swap on his and I love it I hate when we do our cruises I always get stuck next to him and all I can hear is his turbo blowing off...I can hear it over my system and I just laugh and shake my fist at him and tell him just wait lol

1994 - 1999 ST205
1995 - 1999 SW20

And I think we already covered whether it would FIT in your ST or not. The ST is the same chassis as the GT so yes it will FIT. But you'll have to do some extra work than you would have to do in a GT. There are stickies up for the 3SGTE swap, plenty of threads you can check out and follow of other who have done it and people willing to help you with the details as you begin and finish it. Do some research, google the **** out of the engine and swap, learn EVERYTHING you can before you get too involved.

You are super awesome thank you so much.

[Box]

for the amount of money you are going to spend on a 3S-GTE swap, you will spend half on a V6 swap

Not to mention the V6 makes the same power as the 2nd gen 3S-GTE, but NO LAG.

I'm going to take a wild guess and say that you have never actually driven a 3sgte powered Celica.

No, but I've driven faster cars if that counts.

[Amanda66]

for the amount of money you are going to spend on a 3S-GTE swap, you will spend half on a V6 swap

Not to mention the V6 makes the same power as the 2nd gen 3S-GTE, but NO LAG.

I'm going to take a wild guess and say that you have never actually driven a 3sgte powered Celica.

No, but I've driven faster cars if that counts.

Lol counts for something.

[Box]

All turbo cars have some degree of lag. Hell the WRC ST205 had an anti-lag system, so a standard 3S-GTE will have lag.