3sgte St205 vs Mr2 Options

[lagos]

Plus it's got a super charger on it...so I figure I could probably sell that...so either way I can still make money off of a $700.00 motor.

Amanda, you're a little confused here... you're not looking at the right engine or it doesn't have the supercharger you think it has.

Listen to what we are trying to tell you. Don't buy an mr2 engine. Yeah, sure its kind of the same thing.... But there are a lot of little things that are TOTALLY DIFFERENT, that will make your car very difficult to swap. Trust me on this. Its not just about getting a new alternator. The wiring harness plugs are completely different and all need to be fully rewired, coolant neck is different, you can't use the intercooler, alternator, power steering, etc..etc..etc... are all different.

Get the nicest st205 motor you can afford. It will make the different between a finished swap, and one that is sitting in your garage for the past two years. Trust me, I have personally seen too many people jump into a swap only for it to never get finished.

[Box]

Still when the main part of the swap(engine) is cheaper, that swap will be cheaper.

You're missing the hidden costs. Doesn't the v6 swap require a fair bit of wiring harness work to work in our cars? Thats another 500 Dr Tweak dollars that you can add to the cost of the motor.

I have an in house ASE Toyota Master Technician, so no not really. Besides have to do harness work with the 3S-GTE as well. Even if you pay to have it done I don't think it was that much, obviously Smaay or Kurt could confirm the exact cost.

This post has been edited by Box: Sep 21, 2012 - 2:58 PM

[Xander_X]

Like Box said, the only MR2 with a Supercharger was the 1984 - 1989 First gen IF it had the 4A-GZE motor. The 3S-GTE is turbo charged. There was no supercharger made for that engine. Also, there were no 3rd gen 3S-GTE engines sold in the US. 93 was the last year for the US Celica having a 3SGTE and 95 for the MR2 (that's because they stopped importing the MR2 to the US after 95). Bot vehicles had a 2nd gen in them.

I have heard of people putting the 4A-GZE into a Celica, but besides having it for novelty reasons, I wouldn't recommend it. It is not as reliable as many of your other choices both because the engine itself is that way and because of it's age. It doesn't have much more power than a 5S-FE, and it is hard to find parts for. The only benefit would be that it will bolt up to your ST transmission.

Also, because of the age, 9 out of 10 of a 3S-GTE you find in a junk yard in the US most likely has VERY high mileage and has been ridden harder than my best friends sister (that's funny if you knew her).

[Box]

Also, because of the age, 9 out of 10 of a 3S-GTE you find in a junk yard in the US most likely has VERY high mileage and has been ridden harder than my best friends sister (that's funny if you knew her).

Hmm... that means either she's a whore, or it's ironic and she's abstinent.

[Xander_X]

Also, because of the age, 9 out of 10 of a 3S-GTE you find in a junk yard in the US most likely has VERY high mileage and has been ridden harder than my best friends sister (that's funny if you knew her).

Hmm... that means either she's a whore, or it's ironic and she's abstinent.

Whore ... like so big that if I explained, you would probably think I was making it up.

This post has been edited by Xander_X: Sep 21, 2012 - 4:59 PM

[Smaay]

Still when the main part of the swap(engine) is cheaper, that swap will be cheaper.

You're missing the hidden costs. Doesn't the v6 swap require a fair bit of wiring harness work to work in our cars? Thats another 500 Dr Tweak dollars that you can add to the cost of the motor.

the MR2 guy does either for 400. you still need to do some wiring when installing a 3rd gen 3S

[lagos]

Still when the main part of the swap(engine) is cheaper, that swap will be cheaper.

You're missing the hidden costs. Doesn't the v6 swap require a fair bit of wiring harness work to work in our cars? Thats another 500 Dr Tweak dollars that you can add to the cost of the motor.

the MR2 guy does either for 400. you still need to do some wiring when installing a 3rd gen 3S

Thats Dr Tweaks rate as well. Plus shipping both ways that you pay. Last time I shipped my harness somewhere it was about $40 each way.

For the 3rd gen, you just need to wire up the fuel pump and intercooler circuits. Its pretty simple and can be done as a DIY thing.

[Soulend]

Hey Amanda,

so they have covered most of it, but with a GT Trans (an S54) you will need all of the GT engine mounts and brackets. that means the three trans mounts (left top, front, and rear.) and then you will need to modify the car body to allow the usage of a GT right side mount. people have gone the route of drilling the frame and putting in two massive heavy duty bolts through, and I have also seen someone cut that section of body and weld in an actual GT mounting section.

the ST205 engine is the best overall for the swap as stated, and has more power than a 2nd gen. the wiring can be an issue, but people will make the harness plug and play so its super easy to install. besides all the small amount of other GT parts you will need for the swap that about covers it...

again, this covers a lot of info, keep looking at it though, people will suggest stuff that actually turns out to be better and I go back and edit it.

http://www.6gc.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=83732

Kevin

[block]

St185 is a pig of a car and isnt fast at all. I felt like i was driving a slightly quicker GT. SW20 is much quicker because of its light weight. I had one and enjoyed every second of it. I drove a members 3rd gen 3sgte swapped 6th gen and that thing was pretty quick.

Id recommend a st205 swap if possible. If you have the time and money, wait for the right swap. Otherwise youre going to find things here and there and it adds up fast! Plus, its better to replace parts now when the 3sgte motor is out (gaskets, water pump, belts, plugs, etc, etc). Take your time, dont rush. You want a clean reliable running car! Good luck!

[Amanda66]

Well needless to say it's a 4agze and I don't want that...

[Box]

Well needless to say it's a 4agze and I don't want that...

Would match up to your ST transmission.

[Amanda66]

Well needless to say it's a 4agze and I don't want that...

Would match up to your ST transmission.

Eh at the moment I'm kinda bewildered with my car...I'm just gona drive it 'till that 7afe with that weird noise blows up lol I'll buy another car...park her and buy one freaking million dollar part at a time.... -_-

[Amanda66]

Hey Amanda,

so they have covered most of it, but with a GT Trans (an S54) you will need all of the GT engine mounts and brackets. that means the three trans mounts (left top, front, and rear.) and then you will need to modify the car body to allow the usage of a GT right side mount. people have gone the route of drilling the frame and putting in two massive heavy duty bolts through, and I have also seen someone cut that section of body and weld in an actual GT mounting section.

the ST205 engine is the best overall for the swap as stated, and has more power than a 2nd gen. the wiring can be an issue, but people will make the harness plug and play so its super easy to install. besides all the small amount of other GT parts you will need for the swap that about covers it...

again, this covers a lot of info, keep looking at it though, people will suggest stuff that actually turns out to be better and I go back and edit it.

http://www.6gc.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=83732

Kevin

Cool thanks Kevin. How's your car? I still have those lights for you...I have yet to take the box out of my car...lol well text me. See you maybe Saturday. Lots of updates about my car hehe