Celica Engine Swap, Can This Be Done? Options

[Inferno]

Hello,
I'm new to this forum, but not new to the site or the Celica. I'm 16 years old and I'll be purchasing my car of choice very soon. Out of any car in the world, I'd rather have the 6th gen Celica, the body and look just amazes me. It's 100% class. Anyhow, I have a question that just may decide which car I get. I know there is a 3S-GTE engine swap, and it can produce high numbers. But, I have another in mind. I've been thinking of this engine swap for a while now, but I don't know if it can be done. So, I pop the question. Can I drop the 3.0 Twin Turbo Supra engine into the GT engine bay. Can it be done? Will it work? This question has been plaguing me for a while now, and I just have to know the answers.

Thanks,
Inferno

[jayi12-15psi]

well, It would not be close to cost effective to pay huge amounts of money for a supra engine swap, you would in the end wind up spending up to or more than 10g, If you've got the money to do this, you should buy a supra.

Now I'm not telling you it can't be done, I'm just saying, that for the same amount of money, you can put up better numbers with the 3s-gte.

With the 2jzgte, you would just have way to many obstacles to overcome, drive train, the shear size of the engine, and wiring it, are just a few.

However, it would be a truly unique swap and many would be in awe if you pulled it off.

welcome to 6gc.net

[1900]

if u could get an st-205 front clip that would be the easiest engine swap, u get 255bhp with this swap.

[Inferno]

Thanks for the advice. Since you believe it would take enough money that would equate the amount of an actual Supra, let me throw in a couple of other variables. Firstly, my dad has a few connections and the like. Maybe I could find a Supra engine at a junkyard or something, for a fairly cheap price. Other than that, my dad has a degree in mechanics and would be able to help with a lot of the work, severely cutting down on the cost. Now, do you think it would cost less money than buying a Supra or still about the same? Thanks again.

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This post has been edited by Inferno: Jan 30, 2003 - 5:03 PM

[Silver94CelicaOw...]

Yeah, im not an expert on the 3s-gte swap........but i do know that it will drop in the Celica GT pretty easily, because the stock engine mounts and tranny will work with the 3s engine. So if not for cost reasons, i would opt for the 3s because its way lighter than the supra engine, and it is pretty compatible with the celica since they put it in the GT-4 in Japan/Europe. And plus, swapping the 3s-gte should be cake if your dad is a mechanic, and you could probably expect somewhere around 3-5k for the swap, maybe less since labor would be free. So get some more info from this site if you are really serious about it, its been covered extensively in the past, and good luck with getting your celica

This post has been edited by Silver94CelicaOwner: Jan 30, 2003 - 5:32 PM

[Charlie97L]

QUOTE (Inferno @ Jan 30, 2003 - 3:01 PM)

Thanks for the advice. Since you believe it would take enough money that would equate the amount of an actual Supra, let me throw in a couple of other variables. Firstly, my dad has a few connections and the like. Maybe I could find a Supra engine at a junkyard or something, for a fairly cheap price. Other than that, my dad has a degree in mechanics and would be able to help with a lot of the work, severely cutting down on the cost. Now, do you think it would cost less money than buying a Supra or still about the same? Thanks again. Edit:Anyone who wants to talk with me about this without the formalities of a forum post, hit me up on a messenger. AIM:InfernoHT Yahoo!:Inferno_Sk8er ICQ:60854018 MSN:inferno_sk8er@hotmail.com

well, the biggest problem would be is that i don't believe the engine will fit in the bay, and you'll have to do an extremely custom transmission job. also, the fact that the engine is not mounted transversely in the celica, like in the supra will cause a problem, i'm willing to bet it just won't fit.

[1_Winged_Angel]

Charlie is absolutley correct. The 2jz-gtte is mounted in a completely different way. You would have to customize the engine bay to where you could drop it in. After doing that, your front end would probably look rediculous. Plus, you are 16 years old, Your insurence rates alone would be enough to put you in the poor house. 3, since you probably haven't handled a car with 300+ horses yet, you will most likely kill yourself when you do. Finally, don't forget that the main turn on of a celica is its superior handling. If you want lots of drag power, get yourself a chevy. I would reccomend taking some racing courses, where you will learn that it isn't the size of the engine that counts, it is how you use it Also it will lower your insurance rates significantly

This post has been edited by 1_Winged_Angel: Jan 30, 2003 - 6:05 PM

[Inferno]

I appreciate all of your input. Thank you. Yes, I know that the insurance rates will be murderous, but I just wanted to know if it could be done. I'm still considering the Celica as my car choice, it's my favorite car altogether. But, the only problem was with the fact that it's kind of an under-dog when it comes to aftermarket parts. Anyhow, this hasn't dented my feelings for the Celica one bit. I still hope to acquire(sp?) one, and it's still what I'm leaning towards getting. Anyhow, I knew about the 3S-GTE engine swap, or just importing a GT-4. I know a guy that can get one imported for me at a rate of about 5,000, not including shipping. My main concern with the 3S-GTE engine is that I would have to order Euro or Japanese aftermarket performance parts for the engine itself. Would this be a problem? I realize it might take tons more to import these aftermarket parts. Is this true?

[Guest_Matthew_*]

there are lots of companies that make parts for the 3s in the us. like toysport and jarco. Jun makes good internal engine parts but they are kinda expensive. A celica with a lot of power will definitely turn heads.
Just start out small that way we don't lose any members. If you start out huge (supra engine) you are gonna kill yourself just like 1_winged_angel said.

That 5000 is that for the front clip? If it is you are getting ripped off. you can get them from toysport for less than that but. Shipping is only like 400. your choice. If you need anyhelp my aim is "igotta5SFEturbo" I can offer any advice that i have for you.


Matt

[boosted_K2]

the 3sgte is fairly plug and play as far as swaps go not too much custom work needs to be done with the GT.

the chances of finding a 2jz in a junkyard at a reasonable price is about as likely as it is people learning some good tuning tips from FntF2. plus the entire wiring harness needs to be 100% custom. so hopefully your dad also has a degree or atleast very knowladgable in electrical engineering otherwise thats going to be a big problem, also your firewall will need to be slid backward, you will need to do a complete custom rear end for the RWD, custom interior because im 100% that the gearbox and shift device will be in a completely different spot than stock, basically all that will remain stock on your car is the body the frame and the seats if you were to do this... wait i take that back, by moving the firewall back the body changes, so really the only things the same are the frame and the seats, wait a second, if you are going to drop a 3.0 L engine into a car designed for no bigger than a 2.2L than you will need to reinforce the frame and redistribute the weight a little bit, otherwise you are going to have a front heavy RWD car... so i guess all that will remain stock is the seats...

i dont mean to be discouraging, its just that everything IS possable, its just these things do cost an insane ammount of money. id hafta say that kinda job when completed would give you a ride worth approx 150K bucks or more with parts labor customizing etc...

im going to be a mechanical engineer, i may come out eventually with the knowladge on how to do something like that, but dreaming thinking and planning something is one thing, and doing it is completely something else... dont stop dreaming

[Inferno]

Hello there,
Thanks once again for all of the input. Now that the question has been answered, a very detailed answer, I realize that it would be impossible for me to do all of that. For one, I'm 16 as some of you stated, the price would literally kill me. I'd be better off to buy a Supra. *sweats* Anyhow, you guys have definately swayed me to not even attempt to perform this. Especially since there are 3S-GTE part sellers within the US borders. By the way, that 5,000 rate that I got was not for the front clip. It was for the entire ST205 car.

Edit: I just found this car at cardomain.com. You think this guy is just poppin' off at the mouth? Link:Liar?

...notice there are no pics under the hood?

This post has been edited by Inferno: Jan 30, 2003 - 11:33 PM

[1_Winged_Angel]

I don't believe it for 2 reasons
1)

2)

Well, actually 3 reasons

3)

1) He is using a stock GT exhaust, that would choke the jz

2) His car is riding at rally height

3) Gotta love those LED's!

This post has been edited by 1_Winged_Angel: Jan 31, 2003 - 12:00 AM

[forkee]

omg....i bet that guy is full of sH*t. let's all get on cardomain and flame his ass!!! muahahahahaha...........*ahem* *ahem*, sorry..i was speaking out loud again

[Guest_Matthew_*]

well i asked him for some under hood pics

[Guest_Matthew_*]

90 percent of those guys on there are full of it.

there is one guy who claims to have the first veilside kit in the U. S. 2000+ and he has 289hp. no under hood pics, but he does have a hks ignition. I guess that gives him 125hp. Oh, and if anyone here knows about spl, he also claims to hit 195 decibels. LOL not a chance in hell. Not with his (AVI Brand) subs. I flamed his ass too. Pardon the language but I was referring to his donkey that spins his turbine wheel with his 2jz-gte set-up.

[Guest_Matthew_*]

lol i just saw this he says that his drivetrain is from mopar thats a dodge/chrysler company
hahahaha what a dumass

[Guest_Matthew_*]

i just noticed this too... he says V6 supra engine.... they are inline 6's. That's it I'm drivin to colorado and I'll race him. I'll have it video taped and post it here and on car domain.com and flame his as* to hell

[Inferno]

Please do.

[forkee]

AVON!??? wtf....lol, i didn't know u can order tires through avon......hahahaha, he's down to 3 stars

[EC_Knightrider]

talking of supra engines,

would the 1jzgte 2.5 be a better fit than the 3.0 2jzgte???


u would think, but i don't know 4 sure


best cost effective way is the 3sgte...

10g's huh??
talk about being ________(feel in adj of choice) to put 10 extra g's in there when u haven't even bought a car yet, just get a supra if u have that extra cash in your sock dresser!......