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omg, play nice, but I have to say, that the safc, is not a bad thing. However it is neccesary that it is turned correctly, on a dyno. As long as the safc isn't placed in the hands of a complete moron, you should be fine, but maximum gains can only be obtained by multiple dyno runs, trial and error
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Mar 12, 2004 - 8:24 AM
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 Enthusiast Joined Feb 10, '03 From Connecticut Currently Offline Reputation: 11 (100%) |
Yeah really WTF man? Why are you asking me questions, and then anwerin them in the same damn sentence? Take ur ****ing midol.
And i wasnt referring to ONLY the SAFC, i was referring to fooling your ECU, adjusting timing incorrectly, which it will do if things are the way your ECU believes they are. Did you think I was attacking you? I mean WTF? Did ur girl just dump you? And your warping words. Your saying the SAFC doesnt, and thats incorrect. It is capable of causing knock because it modifies the the air flow signal and the ecu will advance timing. If you wanna act immaturely, we can do it off the boards. Maybe if you disagree, it is better to say, i disagree, blah blah blah. Not, take ur head outta ur ass. Or, what experience do i have with this? You dont kno anything about me, so how u gonna even answer that question? Garbage like that should earn you a warning. And I partly agree with Jay. If the SAFC isnt in the hands of a moron, you should be a ok...and the dyno is the best, although not most cost effective, way of seeing the effects of what you've done. Easier to see numbers than oh it feels a lil faster or stronger ya know. What im trying to get at, for the 3rd time, is that piggy backs have the capability of causing bad things to happen if they arent properly used. Just because somones DOESNT, doesnt mean it CANT. Maybe Spedtoe will now understand, what i was saying. Fooling with timing and such has the ability to cause detonation and thats pretty much the worst thing that could happen. This post has been edited by Supersprynt: Mar 12, 2004 - 8:58 AM -------------------- |
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Mar 12, 2004 - 9:23 AM
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 Enthusiast Joined Aug 29, '02 From Dallas, Tx Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
My question to you is, do you know how the toyota ecu controls timing? I do. Do you know the differences between the different generations of computers? I do. The things you're saying are incorrect and misleading. People that don't know better might believe this incorrect information. I've said this before, and I'll say it again.....If you don't know what you're talking about then don't try to act like you do. You may well know more than I think you do, and thats fine, it doesn't really matter what either of us know, as long as the correct information is communicated on the board. I'm soooooo sick of having to correct and argue with N00bs because they heard somebody like you spout off about something they didn't really know about and as a result the wrong information was passed on. This hobby (cars) is so full of misinformation its not even funny. Even a lot of the people that think they know a lot are retarded (not saying you are). Look at a lot of the 'tuner' shops out there. These are people that think they know enough about this stuff to open a business and base their lives around these things they know. How many people have you heard of that have had their cars screwed up by this type of person? I've heard of a lot. So chill out, lets both get off our high horses and try to not mislead people ok?
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Mar 12, 2004 - 9:32 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Feb 10, '03 From Connecticut Currently Offline Reputation: 11 (100%) |
What has pissed me off now is that your saying "get your head outta ur ass" or "what do you know, nothing." You've now attacked me, and thats pissed me off because I didnt call you out or ne thing, i wasnt even speakign to yo, I never said nething you said was wrong. So why you gotta attack me? And if what i've said is wrong, correct me? So does the SAFC not change the signal? Does it not cause the ecu to change the timing? Can it not cause knock? I try to put things so they are easy to understand. If you screw up using the SAFC, you can lead to bigger problems. Thats ALL that im saying. I dont claim to know things that i dont. Personally, im not a fan of messing around with voltage signals to the ecu. I think the ecu shouldnt really be messed with. Thats only my opinion. Your just taking this way to far.
All im trying to get across, is that messing with the things the SAFC does has the ABILITY to cause knock. Thats all, your going to complex with something that i wasnt even talking about. Your older than i am no reason to be spouting insults. You said it urself, poor tuning will cause knock, so you why are u arguing thats what i was talking about. Its not like you get the SAFC and you automatically get knock, no i was simply saying that it increases yoru chances of getting it if its not used properly. Therse no reason for us to be arguing here we agree, kinda. Oh and "tuner" shops, dont go there, ne body. Stay away. This post has been edited by Supersprynt: Mar 12, 2004 - 9:50 AM -------------------- |
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Mar 12, 2004 - 3:35 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 29, '02 From Dallas, Tx Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
This is the last time I'm going to post about this.
Where did I tell you to pull your head out of your ass? I never said you know nothing. I did say, you don't know enough about this topic to be preaching to people about it. You're taking this way too personally and putting words in my mouth.
Again, don't take thinks so personally. This is the internet.
Thats what I'm trying to do. Sorry if I'm being an ass or if you can't take the criticism.
Yes, this you are correct about. Thats the basis about which its designed.
Now we have to start to get specific. It does change the timing but this can be used in your favor if you know how its doing it. As you lean the fuel curve out, you advance the timing at that point. Here you have to also factor in the fuel system and the tuning of the RRFPR so that the adjustments made with the SAFC will work both for your fuel and timing needs (and BTW, the timing changes it makes are very small, almost not even worth talking about in anything but a race engine). As you can see, its a very complicated relationship but it can work, and work well. You made a blanket statement that the SAFC and all piggyback computers cause knock. Thats what you said. That statement is incorrect, and misleading.
This is also not correct. Bad tuning CAN cause knock on an SAFC equipped car. It can also cause knock on a NON-SAFC equipped car. Its not a fault of the equipement as you originally suggested, its a fault of the tuner.
When did I ever insult you? I said you don't know what you're talking about, but never did I insult you.
If thats what you're talking about then you're right. But thats not what you're saying.
Correct.
Increases it over what? Leaving the car stock? Sure, anything you change CAN cause the car to detonate. The SAFC is a much more complicated thing to deal with than an intake or an exhaust and as a result it is more risky if used improperly. |
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Mar 12, 2004 - 4:30 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Feb 10, '03 From Connecticut Currently Offline Reputation: 11 (100%) |
Sorry you said "pull your head out" i added the ass part cuz well, i figured thats what you meant. And where did i say piggybacks cause detonation? I never said that at all.
The blanket statement i made was that fooling your ecu is a bad thing. Thats all. This post has been edited by Supersprynt: Mar 12, 2004 - 4:31 PM -------------------- |
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