ss-III white gauge cluster, wiring Options

[TTE]

Well, I got myself a great deal on st202 cluster and now I am scretching my head how to make it work. I have same issues as the other guy had with st205 cluster. So guys, I need help in rewiring my old plugs to work with my new cluster. Can anyone post diagrams for it.

[JoKeRkId613]

im the guy wit the st205 cluster. lol. i have an 1994 at200(obd1) and the st205 was from an obd2. so i cant imagine yours being too difficult since both clusters are from the obd2 system(correct me if wrong). its a good idea if you take out ur cluster and take a look at the back of it(circuits) and compare it to the new one just to see wut ure dealing with and to get an idea of what you have to do. i dunno how electronically knowledgable you are but you'll see that theres 3 plugs behind each cluster. each wire from the plug on the circuit goes to a light or whatever. you can either follow each of those and write what each one does and what light it goes to. OR you can try swapping them directly since the ss3 doesnt have a turbo gauge or anything and is close to ours. so just plug the 3 connectors from your car str8 into the new cluster and see if it works that way(check all your lights and everything. ie. turn signals, high beams, whatever) OR you can try finding the correct wire diagram(i dont know if there was only a jdm ss3 or if they had euro versions and australians. cuz the st205 had 3 versions of the cluster(japan, europe, and australia...dont know why). so it was a pain for me to do the wiring cuz i wasnt sure wich one i had. AND/OR you can contact wannabegt4(Justin) and he'll help you out and not leave you hanging. a lot of people on here are sooo busy with their own things and cant take an hour out of their day to help a fellow 6gc member out with something simple(like my damn horn! lol). so if you can get a wiring diagram of the combometer/cluster/whatever, then it makes things 10 times easier. if not, then i suggest you check out celicatech.com's bgb, i dunno if they'll have one for the ss3, but u can check.
if you can give wannabegt4 a pic like this:
http://www.6gc.net/forums/index.php?showto...l=st205+cluster
im sure he can tell you wat connects to what. im pretty sure the at200(celica st) is the same as the usdm gt cluster(yours). but im not 100% sure. just to be safe, you should take a pic of each cluster like the one in the thread and label it just like i did and let wannabe take a look at em. but the first thing i'd do is plug them directly without cutting anything to see if it'd work. lemme know if you need any help with anything. later.

[WannabeGT4]

I'd have no problem helping you out if you could get me a good picture of the back of the ST202 Cluster. The labeling that Jason did was a great help and would make things go much quicker on my end.

[TTE]

Thanx for quick replies. I put pic of it tonight. I tried to plug it in yesterday and this what I came out with. Hand brake was on, high beam and left/right signals were fine, temp gauge was all the way up and I couldn't shut the car down untill I disconected plugs from cluster. Also its JDM from 98-99

This post has been edited by TTE: Dec 6, 2005 - 3:10 PM

[TTE]

I hope these pic are oK, if you need more pic let me know.



This post has been edited by TTE: Dec 6, 2005 - 5:20 PM

[JoKeRkId613]

justin, i dunno if you can see those pics too well but the parts where the circuit folds is a bit hard to see. what i did was pull the circuit out completely(take all screws and bulbs out the back and the circuit will come off), lay it flat and take a pic so that you can see where all the lines go. just curious. since the ss3 cluster(to my understanding) is the same as the usdm except for the white background and the color of the gauges at night(orange or red?), cant u just put the gauges on your gt one? i assume all the lights and everything are in the same place(unlike the st205). like, take the screws off the back of the gauges, pull the face/needle/allthatstuff and place the 3 big pieces on your old one? it should work fine. wen i go home, i'll look at an ss3 cluster pic i have to doublecheck, but im pretty sure it'll work perfectly. thats better than going through all the wiring hassle. what you think, justin?

[WannabeGT4]

Yeah I PMed TTE about the pics. He's working on it right now I believe. Just changing out the gauge faces would be a good idea but I thought the two triangle shaped pieces are white too and I doubt that the indicator lights are going to be the same as the USDM combo meter.

P.S. I really think the circuit "sheet" will have to come off and be placed flat like Jason said. That way I can trace all of the contacts to each of the gauges and indicator lights.

This post has been edited by WannabeGT4: Dec 6, 2005 - 8:41 PM

[TTE]

Just sent pic over to WannabeGT4. Took me a while to disassemble everything.
Do you guys think that it would be easier to swap warning lights from my st204, this way I can still have cruise.

[TTE]

[JoKeRkId613]

Yeah I PMed TTE about the pics. He's working on it right now I believe. Just changing out the gauge faces would be a good idea but I thought the two triangle shaped pieces are white too and I doubt that the indicator lights are going to be the same as the USDM combo meter.

P.S. I really think the circuit "sheet" will have to come off and be placed flat like Jason said. That way I can trace all of the contacts to each of the gauges and indicator lights.

those pics are good but it might be best to take a pic of the circuit sheet from the printed side(turn it over so that you can see the resistors. i doubt theyre much different but u never know.) since i already took pics of the at200 one, you can use both of those(im pretty sure the st and gt are the same wiring...but who knows, his is obd2). and tte, if you can, post pics of the 2 triangles so we could see where/what the warning lights are. im talking about the 2 triandular pieces to the left and right of the cluster(they pop off). that, or label the pic so we know what bulb goes where. if you dont know what i mean, go to the link of my first post here and you'll see what im talking about.

Just sent pic over to WannabeGT4. Took me a while to disassemble everything.
Do you guys think that it would be easier to swap warning lights from my st204, this way I can still have cruise.

you cant swap the warning lights because the ones on the st204 are black and the ss3 has a white face. unless u want it to look wacky like that. lol....random.... but yeah, you would have to use the ss3 trangles, like justin said. im not sure what you meant about the cruise thing. even if the ss3 doesnt have a cruise light(my st205 one doesnt either), you can still use cruise. you just wont be able to tell exactly when it's on... but it should still work.

[TTE]

no no no, what I meant is to take triangles from st204 and install them into ss3 cluster. In this case I would have cruise sign. Also ss3 cluster has black triangles as all others celicas.

[JoKeRkId613]

no no no, what I meant is to take triangles from st204 and install them into ss3 cluster. In this case I would have cruise sign. Also ss3 cluster has black triangles as all others celicas.

ooo. ok, i see wut ure sayin. yea, you could do that, if every other warning light from the st204 on that triangle is on the same spot on the st202, except for cruise. yeah, you could do that. whats in the cruise spot on the st202 triangle??? that'll let you know if you could do that... either way, you could always rig it to do whatever you want but in my opinion, its best to have everything nice and neat and not have wires rigged behind the cluster, but if the cruise is real important to you then im sure you can wire it up.

edit: well yeah, thats the only problem. if the warning lights are in different locations, then you would want to wire the whole thing, but if not or theres not much difference, its probably less of a hassle to transfer everything over. i dunno... whatever. lol.

This post has been edited by JoKeRkId613: Dec 6, 2005 - 10:24 PM

[WannabeGT4]

I'll go ahead with the wiring but you might as well try the gauges from the ST202 cluster in place of the gauges from the ST204 cluster. I bet they'll work just fine. If not you can repin the connectors after I finish the conversion. Can I get that front shot of the gauge cluster so that I know where all the gauges are?

[TTE]

It works now. I just tried to swap ss3 gauges over to st204 cluster and it works perfect. Idle reading is the way it should be. The only thing that needs to be done is to run 2-3 LEDs for better illumination because cluster housings have different bulb points in some places. Thanx to everyone who showed interest in helping me with this project. I will post pix later

[JoKeRkId613]

awesome. glad it worked for you. pics! wooo! lol.

[WannabeGT4]

Congrats!

About the lighting issue, can you replace the SS-III gauge's clear plastic light difusers with the ones from the ST204? You probably don't know what I'm talking about but it's the clear plexiglass part that the gauge face is attached to with double sided tape.

This post has been edited by WannabeGT4: Dec 8, 2005 - 11:48 AM

[TTE]

I understand, the plastic that lights up all numbers. Maybe its possible but I wouldn't remove needles. Instead I will run 3 extra leds to the area that doesn't have enough light.

[snapshotgt]

post a pic of ou final product!

~snap

[WannabeGT4]

I understand, the plastic that lights up all numbers. Maybe its possible but I wouldn't remove needles. Instead I will run 3 extra leds to the area that doesn't have enough light.

Sounds good to me. Just throwing out another option for you.