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 Jun 11, 2004 - 11:05 PM
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 Enthusiast  Joined Jun 11, '04 From Wake Forest, NC Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%)  |
Is it possible to get around the 200hp mark with a 5S-FE engine? or would it be smarter and cheaper just to go with a 3sgte? Im asking because in wake county, nc where i live, emissions are really strict, and the pass no cars w/ not stock engines. And if i did do a swap, would this engine be fine.
http://www.totaljdm.com/index.cfm The engine is under engines, then Toyota, the Celica. BTW: im in a mechinics program, and when im out of high school (im a junior) im going to UTI. And i know basic about engines, but i've never done a swap, but me and my dad would prolly try it in our garage, and my neighbors a mech. and i could ask him to kind of point us in the right direction. This post has been edited by o8poa8o: Jun 11, 2004 - 11:10 PM |
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Jun 11, 2004 - 11:15 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Jun 11, '04 From Wake Forest, NC Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
oh yea i know about the bruin toyota turbo, but its $2500, and would put me around the 190hp mark, but later if i get more power hungry i could only do so much.
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Jun 12, 2004 - 1:16 AM
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 Enthusiast Joined Jul 14, '03 From Jacksonville, FL Currently Offline Reputation: 2 (100%) |
Instead of getting just the engine.. you should try and get the front clip (which insteads basically the whole front end). They usually have them at Venus Auto.
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Jun 12, 2004 - 1:18 AM
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 Enthusiast Joined Jun 26, '03 From Wisconsin Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
i suggest 5sfte. a lot less of a headache. this alone will put you around the 200 mark. -------------------- i am awesome
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Jun 12, 2004 - 2:39 AM
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 Enthusiast Joined Dec 27, '03 From Nor Cal Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
IMO... boost is the easy way out in terms of making power... nothing against it... but nothing beats the roar of a well built n/a motor.
As for your original question... the secret to power in the 5SFE starts in the head. The stock head doesn't flow very well... and it responds very well to headwork. A lot of people have claimed up to 800% flow increases, rivaling even modded 3SGE heads (unlikely, but people on the MR2 boards have claimed so). Anyways... that's where you start. From there... camshafts, upgraded valve springs, valves, etc... It won't be cheap. Hitting the 200hp mark will take some work that is a bit beyond bolt-on performance parts. Bolt-ons just don't do enough on Toyota motors... but every little bit helps. This is speaking without regard to emissions though... camshafts will kill your ability to smog... -------------------- "It's ok to be naked girl... I'm an artist!"
1995 AT200 Celica ST: stocked out daily driver... 1984 AE86 Corolla GT-SR5: silvertop 20V 4AGE project car jacked up with goodies... 1991 SW2x MR2 n/a: bare bones hardtop model soon to be... |
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Jun 12, 2004 - 9:16 AM
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Enthusiast Joined May 5, '03 From Toronto Currently Offline Reputation: 3 (100%) |
IMO... boost is the easy way out in terms of making power... nothing against it... but nothing beats the roar of a well built n/a motor.
I agree 
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Jun 12, 2004 - 9:54 AM
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 Enthusiast Joined Aug 31, '02 From Philadelphia, PA Currently Offline Reputation: 8 (100%) |
unless you have a 5sfte setup, then i wouldnt tell people that its less of a headache. your head will ache weather you do a 3sgte swap or a 5sfte. in some cases the 5sfte may blow and youll have to swap the motor anyway. at least the 3s was buit to run with a turbo all day everyday. if you want no headaches, then leave your car 100% stock. at 1st i was worried about emissions too. when i got the 3sgte, i decided to have them inspect my car while the 5sfe is still in, so that way i would have 1 full year before i had to worry about it. i took the car down to my regular inspection guy at midas...he said "you know u still have 6 months left on your sticker". i told him that im puting in a jdm motor and i dont know if it will pass. he told me to come back in 6months with my jdm motor and gave me his card. he said just come see me and ill pass you, i did the same thing to my car a few years back. This post has been edited by lagos: Jun 12, 2004 - 10:00 AM -------------------- 15PSI - 30MPG - Megasquirt Tuned
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Jun 12, 2004 - 2:10 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Jun 11, '04 From Wake Forest, NC Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
I'd like to have a n/a all motor engine, like built up w/ no boast. What do you mean by head work? like a new head, or stock ported and polished and such? |
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Jun 12, 2004 - 7:59 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Dec 27, '03 From Nor Cal Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
If I meant new head... I'll say recondition your head or "new head"... ;] Headwork means flowbenched port and polish, valve job, possible valve spring upgrade (depends on camshafts) and performance camshaft regrinds. That, along with some dyno tuning can make some power... -------------------- "It's ok to be naked girl... I'm an artist!"
1995 AT200 Celica ST: stocked out daily driver... 1984 AE86 Corolla GT-SR5: silvertop 20V 4AGE project car jacked up with goodies... 1991 SW2x MR2 n/a: bare bones hardtop model soon to be... |
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Jun 12, 2004 - 10:25 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Jun 11, '04 From Wake Forest, NC Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
what kind of power increases? sorry if im getting annoyin w/ all my questions, im just wondering |
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Jun 12, 2004 - 11:05 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Mar 31, '04 From Cincinnati, OH Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Kwanza; what are your thoughts on the 7AFE? Building it up etc.; obviously it doesn't seem to have much potential, but would I receive noticeable benefits from doing what you listed for the 5sfe to the 7afe. Just trying to see how the 7afe and 5sfe compare when it comes to building them up.
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Jun 12, 2004 - 11:52 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Dec 27, '03 From Nor Cal Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
There are NEVER certain numbers when it comes to really building an n/a motor. Camshaft profile (lift/duration), compression, amougst many many other things matter. You can't just say 10hp for this, 5hp from that. A poorly tuned motor can make as little as 10-20 hp over the stock ratings, while a well tuned one can make much much more. There's too much to consider to even make a guess at the numbers... unless you have a lot of experience building n/a 5SFE's... and even still, one can only guess. As for the 7AFE... been there, done that... not very pleased overall. I'm not gonna say it doesn't have n/a potential, since n/a potential extends as far as one's wallet... but it does have a few good points because its pistons are interchangeable with 7 rib 4A components (20mm wrist, size, etc...) That being said, increasing compression into the 11's or 12's shouldn't be too difficult with the 7AFE... but the head and valvetrain will need work to benifit from those gains. Likewise... refer to above info on building up an n/a motor. Also... the stock ECU won't cut it... stock flow, unfourtunately, might not cut it either for high-powered n/a applications... taking into account a 4AG head won't make past 270+ hp... so the 7AFE head will probably start lagging quite a bit before then. -------------------- "It's ok to be naked girl... I'm an artist!"
1995 AT200 Celica ST: stocked out daily driver... 1984 AE86 Corolla GT-SR5: silvertop 20V 4AGE project car jacked up with goodies... 1991 SW2x MR2 n/a: bare bones hardtop model soon to be... |
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Jun 13, 2004 - 5:07 AM
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 Enthusiast Joined Feb 13, '03 From California Currently Offline Reputation: 2 (100%) |
that being said, are 3sgte internals interchangable? -------------------- 2011 Spice Orange Mini Cooper
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Jun 13, 2004 - 5:08 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Feb 13, '03 From California Currently Offline Reputation: 2 (100%) |
that being said, are 3sgte internals interchangable? -------------------- 2011 Spice Orange Mini Cooper
2011 Alpine White BMW E92 M3 gone but not forgotten 2008 Space Grey BMW Z4 ///M 2009 Black Honda Civic LX Coupe 2006 Magnetic Black Nissan 350Z 2007 Crimson Red BMW 335i Coupe |
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Jun 13, 2004 - 4:31 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Dec 27, '03 From Nor Cal Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
The 5S and 3S have slightly different bore sizes... so no... not stock parts for stock parts... but I think there are companies that make overbored pistons and such for the 3SG that should work with the 5SFE... -------------------- "It's ok to be naked girl... I'm an artist!"
1995 AT200 Celica ST: stocked out daily driver... 1984 AE86 Corolla GT-SR5: silvertop 20V 4AGE project car jacked up with goodies... 1991 SW2x MR2 n/a: bare bones hardtop model soon to be... |
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