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post Jun 10, 2004 - 12:23 PM
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QUOTE (Andason @ Jun 10, 2004 - 12:12 PM)
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i didnt think we would actually have to clean this thread up...

The irony of your post.....
(you may delete this as well, I just wanted to point this out to any mods who may find some type of irony in his post that isn't necessary)

lol no i wont remove your post, but im making the point that even when discussing website policies we need to delete posts because they cannot stay on topic and cannot discuss something without arguing.


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post Jun 10, 2004 - 12:25 PM
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Honestly speaking Coomer... I think there are many areas of the site that are fine. I'm willing to say that the engine/performance forum and the suspension forums are great, in that there are knowledgeable people there trying to help out. In my honest opinion, OT isn't a necessity, it's more like a privledge you're allowing the fellow members who post their drivel there, however correct or incorrect that term may imply. In other words... enforce reprecussions onto those who blantantly take advantage of that privledge. I personally have stopped visiting there, mostly because I'm sometimes the confrontational type... and would rather not piss off other members. I'll be another to say, that there are many many knowledgeable people here in many difference aspects relating to our cars and this site is by far, one of the best in terms of relating information on our generation of Celicas, and beyond. Overall, perhaps a slight decline, but that comes with growth in the community. More people, more different opinions and ideas...


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post Jun 10, 2004 - 1:12 PM
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I have been on this site almost 2 years now. I have to agree with coomer that there are many more pointless topics arising. I don't read half of them b/c they sounds stupid. I think there should be a limit to the number of OT related posts b/c they do take up space on the server.

People have been mean to some newbies in the past few months. I figure we can tell them the answer then tell them to use the search function next time. Just don't be an ass about it

As far as degrading the few females that we have here. I haven't seen it(prolly b/c its deleted before I get on), but that is down right asinine. Why would you degrade females on this site. People should be happy that there are females that like cars and celicas and want to know more about it. STOP being a cocky pig when it comes to talking to females. (you know who you are)

I just think that the maturity level needs to increase much more when it comes to replying to posts and being nice to people.

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post Jun 10, 2004 - 1:29 PM
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QUOTE (Jeremy1210 @ Jun 10, 2004 - 6:12 PM)
STOP being a cocky pig user posted image when it comes to talking to females.  (you know who you are)


Thats a good one! biggrin.gif

I still dont understand why the OT posts bother some of you....? How will limiting the number of posts help anything? I love this part of the site! It makes my day at work go by sooo much faster! wink.gif Gives me a good laugh here & there!.... which equals = a happy Celica driver lol uuuuh or somethin like that

I dont want to lose the OT forum frown.gif


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post Jun 10, 2004 - 2:11 PM
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Well i think the age of most of the users here explains it smile.gif To me though this board is pretty tame. I like it here smile.gif


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post Jun 10, 2004 - 2:12 PM
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On the point of telling people to use the search function - the hostility of it to newbies, I believe, could be lessened with a reply like:

"Next time, use the search function, but here you go: LINK TO THREAD"

Just a quick search and all can be good from both ends of the tunnel. Just an idea smile.gif
post Jun 10, 2004 - 2:18 PM
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yeah...man i hated when on 3si all i saw were people yelling "search newbie!!" thats all you ever saw!! it was freakin retarded. There would be virtually no posts if thats the case. Now for topics like "whats the best struts for me?" JESSHH!! how many times has that been on here? Maybe we need some more sticky threads?


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post Jun 10, 2004 - 2:19 PM
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molt, somtimes it's not a single thread, sometimes it's almost eveyr single thread in the engine forum. Like: what information is there on the 3sgte swap?

I fully stand behind my bashing of the newb who asked that question- first I just said politely: You should do a search and you'll find the answers.

everyone else did too

then he asked the question again

then I bashed, and I was justified. the end.
post Jun 10, 2004 - 2:28 PM
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I do see your point Shid, but I think that if someone has the time to post: "You should do a search and you'll find the answers" then you might as well link the forum, which contains the needed information, to the end of the your post. It's simple, helps the newbie, and lets him know about the search function. Not to start a debate but its just my opinion.

EDIT: In answer to cooms question......dont be affraid to use the warning system. I've seen you type to people to have them to follow rules but i dont think any warnings have been issued. If you feel necessary to issue the warnings then by all means, please do so.

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post Jun 10, 2004 - 2:41 PM
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We should have a FAQ sticky in every on topic forum. If you want I cant start writing one up. biggrin.gif

Otherwise, you'll still have people saying search. I think it would be great to have a thread like the bodykit guide in other forums. The suspension guide, The engine guide, The interior guide so on and so on.


Sorry for my statement earlier It was immature. I was provoked but did manage to work out the disagreement.

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EDIT: In answer to cooms question......dont be affraid to use the warning system. I've seen you type to people to have them to follow rules but i dont think any warnings have been issued. If you feel necessary to issue the warnings then by all means, please do so.


I agree with that ^

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post Jun 10, 2004 - 2:41 PM
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I come from a forum called www.indycarz.com I've never met ruder people. You can register and check it out. People on that forum make fun of you for whatever you do, and really hate on you if you have a S13 cuyz youre a "bandwagon jumper". When I came to this site, I was so impressed with how nice everyone was, and how laidback it was. A little guff and arugments makes this interesting. But there should be a limit. Coomer, You've done a fin job with this site. If this site wasnt avaible with all the info it has, i wouldnt have bought 6g due to lack of support.


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post Jun 10, 2004 - 3:08 PM
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Coomer i would not worry in which way the site is going. I just love how the site is setup especially how the fourms are. its hard to explain but whenever i goto another form other than this one i feel like im in a cage and cant really navigate easily either. plus the colors are traditonal and easy for everyone to see and read no matter what computer they log in from. as far as how the off topic goes just be a little more aware of whats going on in there like pics and videos that could be taking up large amounts of space and just delete them or lock them up so they dont get out of control. As far as people bashing others for not searching, i personally am not a huge fan of searching for old fourms and would rather just have someone with the knowledge just politly tell me the answers then say crap such as go search and what not. What you could do is for a time where a guestion has been asked a million times, make a faq page that would answer it for every new person that comes to the site as they can be directed twords that or have the thread be answered and delete the old one where it was answered earlier that way you dont have 18 threads on how to find the fuse boxes or what not. Other than that i would say keep it like it is now and remember that everyone is entitled to his or her own opinions.
post Jun 10, 2004 - 3:17 PM
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inherently this site is perpetuating the import car culture. And one of the main aspects of that culture is socializing, interacting, and meeting new people you would normally never get to meet. This is what i believe the O/T is there for. Sure, some of the topics and posts may be stupid, but people are stupid as a whole, its bound to happen.

The problem as i see it is not the site, but rather the people in it. The site has stayed true to what it was founded to be, but the problem is that many of the members have been around for so long that the posts in most of the topics have been covered. theyve read the arguements of turbo vs swap a thousand times over, theyve read what people think of 'X' brand shocks and 'Y' brand pads. Some of the people have gotten bored, and thus they have unfortunatly turned to making immature comments and harrassing others without provocation just for, the only reason i can see, attention. I do not think the site needs more policing, i just think that people need to think before they post. Its as simple as that.

Although i also believe the behavior of some of the members here to be delporable, i am glad to see that the majority of the site remains true to the reason it was created. Look at all the information that this site has, the knowledge that it contains, the influnce it has had in bringing together people from all over the world and bringing light to the wonderful cars we all have and love.


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post Jun 10, 2004 - 3:20 PM
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I love this place there way that it is.....u want a bad site go to dgtrials, man..those guys will really make u feel unwanted...if people are tried of **** then dont log on anymore....things change..in fact in that constate thing in life is change..forums will change people will change, doesn't mean that it's a bad thing


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post Jun 10, 2004 - 3:28 PM
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First off, I read Shawn's post in the Off Topic forum rules thread, and it made me realize that what doesn't irritate me the most is the garbage threads in off-topic, but rather the threads that are just plain inappropriate. Posts that reference sexual stuff, drugs, cussing, posts with inappropriate images, posts attacking others, etc.

Again, we'll begin working on some new rules for the site, and more strict ways of enforcing them. Hopefully we'll have those online sometime during the weekend. Also, we'll make new registering members read the rules before they register, and we'll emphasize the rules more on the site.


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post Jun 10, 2004 - 3:30 PM
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what about some sort of FAQ section coomer ? can we get that going too

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post Jun 10, 2004 - 3:31 PM
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QUOTE (defgeph @ Jun 10, 2004 - 1:30 PM)
what about some sort of FAQ section coomer ? can we get that going too

Do you mean FAQs, as in like stickies at the top of the forums?

I know we have the information database, but that is often overlooked, so having FAQs in there probably wouldn't help too much.


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post Jun 10, 2004 - 3:41 PM
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QUOTE (Coomer @ Jun 10, 2004 - 4:31 PM)
QUOTE (defgeph @ Jun 10, 2004 - 1:30 PM)
what about some sort of FAQ section coomer ? can we get that going too

Do you mean FAQs, as in like stickies at the top of the forums?

I know we have the information database, but that is often overlooked, so having FAQs in there probably wouldn't help too much.

I say that a sticky FAQ would sorta help. I think what would be best is to say for example have a Suspension FAQ containing the basic questions one would ask.
It should also contain ratings with general experience of that brand/product ONLY.
Examples: Ride/Handling/Bouncy. etc.

Do I make sense?

I myself don't mind the same questions being asked. I myself was there before, so it's only natural on my part to help those that need the help.

MAybe your sticky shouldn't be a sticky but more like BOLD TEXT explaining to SEARCH before you post so that it's in plain site where everyone can see??

I love this site, i've been here for about 2 yrs. Can't ask for a better well put site. You're doing good work here Coomer. I hardly think that you should change anything at all.

As for OT, it's off topic...anything goes as long as it's "G" rated/clean and not offensive. I enjoy these "usless" topics. It lightens me up too at times, passes time, and it's sorta like an escape too. If you make this an ALL CAR talk forum I think it'll get too boring. You need an escape at one point and if these "usless" threads are available it helps to have something else to discuss other than cars all the time.

Edit: Typo

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post Jun 10, 2004 - 3:50 PM
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QUOTE (Coomer @ Jun 10, 2004 - 3:31 PM)
QUOTE (defgeph @ Jun 10, 2004 - 1:30 PM)
what about some sort of FAQ section coomer ? can we get that going too

Do you mean FAQs, as in like stickies at the top of the forums?

I know we have the information database, but that is often overlooked, so having FAQs in there probably wouldn't help too much.

I think it would if we listed a product and gave a discripton of it and where to get it.
for example : In the suspenion forum

Lowering Springs for the 6th gen-
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Tein Stech springs - Price around $120 from Ebay, A great way to give your car a drop of 1.5inches in the front and 1 inch in the rear. You'll find spring rates to be similar to stock but a little more stiffer.
Pro's........ Cons.................

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TRD Springs - price around $250, from TRD Offers a drop of 1.5 in the front and 1. inch in the rear. Handling is greatly increased with these aftermarket springs
pros............... cons........................
Eibach......
dropzone.....

Struts for the 6th gen -
kyb.....
monroe

^ just a sketchy Idea of what I would like to see

in the parts data base you hardly have any links of places to get this stuff. also you dont have any reviews of the product or recommendations. I think if we came to gether and made a nice FAQ's section in every catagory. It would eliminate a majority of the same topic comming up over and over again.

it your site.... I just think if you want to make it more informative then this is the way to do it. It would help everyone on this site out.

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post Jun 10, 2004 - 3:52 PM
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Yeah, FAQs like that would be nice...if you're willing to make a quality FAQ, then feel free to do so, and then we can sticky it and lock it once it's done. smile.gif


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