 Fully Built 5SFE, links please |
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 Jul 12, 2004 - 12:56 PM
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 Enthusiast  Joined Feb 25, '04 From Wisconsin Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%)  |
I dont want to do a 3S swap. I want to do everything myself, and Im very inclined to do so. I cant handle the wiring and extra stuff that a 3S would take so please, I ask that swappers leave their opinions out of this topic unless helpful.
This winter is nicknamed "Celica overhaul" Im going to do everything I possibly can to my Celica which means a built 5S. I know Race Motorsports makes 8.5 turbo pistons for the 5S but I'm more or less looking for a completely ported and polish, 100% done 5S block. I did a search for it once and someone posted a great link but I cant find it anymore. Any help would be great. Thanks guys. |
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Jul 12, 2004 - 1:06 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Jan 8, '04 From LA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
You'd only lower compression if you want to turbo the car (but it sounds like you know that as you refered to it as "turbo pistons") increased compression is the way to go.. I'm also very interested in what gets said in this topic. I believe the link you are referring to links to a company that sells built up 5sfe short blocks.
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Jul 12, 2004 - 1:09 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Mar 23, '03 From New Orleans Currently Offline Reputation: 5 (100%) |
Here is a rebuilt block. I'm thinking about going this route. And working the head. Would make it alittle faster and still pretty reliable.
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Jul 12, 2004 - 2:37 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Feb 25, '04 From Wisconsin Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
yea, thats the link I found in the search forum
one problem though... 10.5!!! ouch for a turbo guy. Otherwise this sounded great. I'm wondering if they'd put the Race Engineering pistons in at the same price??? But if I got that... you add Web Cams (est 30 crank HP increase since the cams are 22* apart ... sh.tty econ design), add a nice intake, a free flow exhaust, underdrive pulley, alum flywheel, nice plugs and wires, upgrade ignition, and what not and we all might be close too a CRANK 200 N/A HP. w00t!!! Slap a turbo on that b.tch and kiss some v8's goodbye. |
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Jul 12, 2004 - 2:53 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Aug 30, '02 From Maryland Currently Offline Reputation: 8 (100%) |
Thats a pretty high goal, 200hp NA. Those mods on alot of cars would bring in some good numbers but the 5sfe is a PITA. Jim Snodgrass did that all and more and could only net 145ish HP to the wheels. Thats the highst recorded NA 5sfe dyno to date. Right now he's working on this its a 5sgTe. Those are the pistons Im having installed in my car tomorrow. I'd also use 3sgte rods (Have the rod jurnals turned down to stock 3sgte rod specs) If you want valves and/or valve springs ferra makes custom 5sfe valves....They'll cost you 2/3 a st185 clip tho. -------------------- Member of Team 5sfTe
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Jul 12, 2004 - 3:09 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Feb 25, '04 From Wisconsin Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
1b... I said crank HP not wheels. But that engine is quoted at 155 crank. And everyone with webcams along with Jim Snodgrass said that they add about 30 because of the crappy econ design of the engine. Well adding, thats 185. I'm assuming with all the others mods I listed, they could be around 15 which is a 200 N/A CRANK. Now, i'm a realistic person. Intake doesn't at 20Hp, nor does exhaust. But I dont see 200 N/A crank power being that impossible. And then 1b.... do your turbo kit how-to and BAM... cant wait to see those numbers. Edit1: PITA? sorry, never heard of this term Edit2: I looked on Jims site, the stuff I said moreorless is what he did. So this setup will probably yeild 130-150WHP.
Edit3: Please inform us of those pistons when you get it back tomorrow  Cant wait to hear what they do for you.
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Jul 12, 2004 - 3:16 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Oct 10, '03 From Wichita, KS Currently Offline Reputation: 5 (100%) |
Pain In The Ass --------------------  Project ST204.5 99.88946% complete... |
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Jul 12, 2004 - 3:25 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Jan 8, '04 From LA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
.. A lot of the NA 5sfe Mr2 guys are getting their 5sfe's to put out way more than 150
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Jul 12, 2004 - 4:39 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Feb 25, '04 From Wisconsin Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
anybody else know of any good 5sfe builder sites???
www.raceeng.com for pistons (those 8.5 turbo ones I said eariler) Edit: I'd like valves but I dont wanna pay loads for em' keep those sites coming This post has been edited by turboinduction: Jul 12, 2004 - 4:40 PM |
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Jul 12, 2004 - 4:57 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Sep 28, '03 From Bloomington, IN Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
You know what'd funny? You can do all this and hit 200crankhp, and I'll still beat you by spraying.
Anways- I do really respect what you're trying to do, and now you've got me looking into this. You could prove me and others wrong, that the 5S isn't just a another econ motor. I'd also like to see a lay out, of product and pricing and hp gains. How much do you have to spend? How much do u think this'll cost? As always, NAWS! -------------------- NASA/SCCA RX-7....currently under the knife
92 Civic hatch B16 - Sold 10th anniv RX-7 - RIP The Slow Celica - Sold...and then crushed crushed due to street racing. Quote from Seinfeild: George's Boss reading a magazine: "People magazine's most beautiful people. Oh and a Celica...nothin wrong with that!" |
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Jul 12, 2004 - 5:00 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Jan 8, '04 From LA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
*shrug* personal preference Slow. I'd rather always have the power there- even if I'm out of NAWZ
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Jul 12, 2004 - 5:06 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Sep 28, '03 From Bloomington, IN Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Well, the setup on the website is good for 155hp. That's only 20 more then stock. So you wanna pay $1,400 for 20+ more hp? You it'll be even more then that once throw in gaskets and seals and fuilds n junk.
But on the up-side, it's like a new motor, so it's like your celica is born again. What's maged and shot-peened? You'd still need (or use the stock) crank, cams, vaules, vaule springs, and what else major? -------------------- NASA/SCCA RX-7....currently under the knife
92 Civic hatch B16 - Sold 10th anniv RX-7 - RIP The Slow Celica - Sold...and then crushed crushed due to street racing. Quote from Seinfeild: George's Boss reading a magazine: "People magazine's most beautiful people. Oh and a Celica...nothin wrong with that!" |
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Jul 12, 2004 - 5:20 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Feb 25, '04 From Wisconsin Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
yes only 20 more than stock - but built for beating. I know I dont wanna turbo mine 105k engine. 1400 for a brand spanking new block thats upgraded and reading for abuse isn't too bad. And yes you still use stock crank, cams and what not. Thats why I said if you upgrade those then 200 n/a isn't that far away. |
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Jul 12, 2004 - 6:49 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Jan 8, '04 From LA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
I wouldn't run a wet shot through it either. |
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Jul 12, 2004 - 8:23 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Feb 25, '04 From Wisconsin Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
whata talking bout shid... all imports are nawzed up at the factory. I press my red button at every stop light. And thats why I need a new engine. lol. |
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Jul 12, 2004 - 8:45 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Jan 8, '04 From LA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
&(*@ I thought that was my alarm button!!!
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Jul 12, 2004 - 9:52 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Mar 23, '03 From New Orleans Currently Offline Reputation: 5 (100%) |
sorry i was thinking NA didnt see the turbo part
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Jul 12, 2004 - 11:09 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Feb 25, '04 From Wisconsin Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
nah... that IS the link I wanted... now just to see if they'll knock that compression down a bit |
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Jul 12, 2004 - 11:12 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 30, '02 From Maryland Currently Offline Reputation: 8 (100%) |
Sorry I missed the crank part. I do agree that with some heavy mods to the head you can pull 200 at the crank (even more if you tune it right). I got my CP's from ChrisK on mr2oc.com hes the only dealer at the moment NOT backstocked. I have to have the crank sent out for the milling and all so it may be close to a week before I get it back running. Once its home Im going to put a few hundred NA miles and then install all the toys FINALY. Its only been over 2 years gathering parts and 1 of the car not running right. -------------------- Member of Team 5sfTe
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Jul 13, 2004 - 5:26 AM
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 Enthusiast Joined Nov 12, '02 From Webster Ma. Currently Offline Reputation: 1 (100%) |
the perfomance block guys sent me this.
so im gunna get there block with 8.5-1 comp ratio. do a metal camry head gasket. shimless s2000 retainers for the valve springs. probly get larger than 360 injectors and use a resistor pack. get a walbro pump. and up the boost to say 12. -------------------- |
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