GT Vs. Vtech, slightly moded 5s-fe versus a DOHC Vtec Options

[Dtown_GT]

So i dont normaly post... ever haha.... but i need your guys help on this one. I drive a standard 5s-fe celica with intake, cat-back, plugs wires, and stage 2 clutch. Now how might that stand against a fairly stock DOHC Vtec CRX? I dont have alot of experience against Vtec's so i must ask.. Im fairly sure my engine wont hold up that well of a fight but i would like to make sure... I bet im leaving alot of important information out of this but yeah... just some advice thats all. Thanks...

[Digndoug]

Im guessing thats the b16 with 160hp .. you will hang with him, but once he hits v-tec in like second.. hes gunna be gone.. the only thing you have on him is trq.. but im sure hes got both wight and hp on his side.. I would say race him for fun, dont bet.. and only do it in day light where you know its safe..

[shid]

You'd do ok.. It might be a little close.. the weight thing would probably cement it. Hondas have no torque, but he's got the hp advantage; and you've lost some torque with your catback.. etc... But the vtec would probably clinch it for the honda.

[Digndoug]

keep in mind, that its in a crx.. so its prolly only like 2100 lbs or somthing stupid like that

[Ale_lock]

Crx > GT

Like doug said, weight & hp. Comparing the GT to the CRX, the weight difference is 700-1klbs depending on model, (HX DX etc.) plus 160hp compared to 135-140hp. We can eat hondas sometimes but not when their so light..I say still go for it, always a good experience & any experience is a learning one.

This post has been edited by Meonspeed: Aug 10, 2004 - 12:27 AM

[drdos]

are you sure its a crx? ive beaten a crx b4 but it probley wasent vetc. so im really not sure.

[shid]

old skool CRXs = easy as hell to beat

[Akimbo]

Depends, I'd vote CRX. CRX's are fun little cars too. I thing the VTEC would take the win though...

[Ale_lock]

ENGINE HF DX Si DOHC VTEC <Car models
Valve Train: SOHC 8-Valve SOHC 16-Valve SOHC 16-Valve DOHC 16V DOHC 16V VTEC
Engine Type D15B2 D15B2 D16A6 D16A8 B16A(ZCG)
Horsepower @ rpm 62 @ 4500 92 @ 6000 108 @ 6000 130*@ 6800 160*@ 7600

Edit: Trimmed it.

This post has been edited by Meonspeed: Aug 10, 2004 - 12:43 AM

[Ryu3x16]

crx....i eat them everyday...
anyways..i raced a crx before with my GT and i barely lost to him... i mean..c'mon our cars isn't that heavy...is it?

[Ale_lock]

ST/GT's are around 2,7k lbs & Converts are 2.8k lbs. The most a CRX has weighted are the 91' crx's with 2,1klbs compared to 1,7k from the first year made.

This post has been edited by Meonspeed: Aug 10, 2004 - 12:47 AM

[Ale_lock]

Edit: Double post, sorry.

This post has been edited by Meonspeed: Aug 10, 2004 - 12:47 AM

[Ryu3x16]

[Ale_lock]

Well it's probably right since the #'s where off the top of my head except for the crx weights since I checked them while getting the list of hp differences between the models.

Edit: Weights of crx's

WEIGHT HF DX Si DOHC VTEC
1985 (lb/kg) 1713/778 1819/826 1883/855
1986 (lb/kg) 1713/778 1819/826 1953/886
1987 (lb/kg) 1713/778 1865/847 1978/898
1988 (lb/kg) 1819/826 1922/873 2017/916
1989 (lb/kg) 1834/851 2048/930 2138/970
1990 (lb/kg) 1967/893 2103/954 2174/987
1991 (lb/kg) 1967/893 2103/954 2174/987

Showed no weight for the last 2 but they cant be too far from the ones shown.

This post has been edited by Meonspeed: Aug 10, 2004 - 12:50 AM

[Kwanza26]

Ummm... you'll get smacked bad. I don't even know why it would even be in question... FYI: The CRX's NEVER came stock with a DOHC Vtec motor (not in the US at least), which is most likely a B16A. It's gotta be a swap. Anyways... they DON'T NEED TORQUE. Torque is a pointless argument for those who at least want to compare something the Celica does have to something the B16A or Honda motors in general... do Not. It's a pointless argument... why? cause Honda trannies are geared REALLY short... they fly through their low-end band like nothing and will PULL CONSTANTLY in the high-end... so their overall torque band is not even used that much in a race situtation. A B16A swapped CRX is almost a GURANTEED 14 second car... so you'll be beat, bad. Very very bad. WHy do I know... because we at Thao's Smog and Automotive recently put together a B16A powered 95 Civic coupe... which weighs in the 2300-2400 pound neighborhood... and that sucker pulls like mad. It has not been tracked yet, but it can put 3 cars EASY on my MR2... which is a high-15 second car...

[97sccelica]

a b16 swap into a crx or civic dx hatch is no joke at all

one took me by suprise in my WRX. 1st and 2nd i had him bad, but if we started from 3rd, i could barely keep up, 4th, he was gone.

then we came at a light, so i just planned to take off quickly, not launch, lights started changing

he revved it up real high, i expected him to light up one tire as i left him behind

but when he dumped it, it chirped the tires a bit and just took off. i let off halfway through 2nd, because i knew i was out of the area where i had the huge advantage, lol

i pulled along side him and asked him what he had

1995 civc dx hatch, gutted with a b16 swap and all the external bolt ons. not to mention he was a small guy and his GF was small too.

in my car were 2 of my friends and my fat ass, lol ~650lbs of human meat in the car.

do i hate myself, no, under better circumstances(ie, my heavy and big friends not in the car) im dead positive my car was faster from a stop

but dont underestimate hondas, i did, and my friends dont let me forget it.

[Kwanza26]

[Hanyo]

you guys forgot to bring up the idea that the gt redline is around 5800 while the b16A is 8200 rpm.. so that is around 2400 rpm more he gets in 1st gear.. while the GT is bogging in second gear. And you have to remember the peak power for the b16 is at the highest RPM while with the GT's peak power is around 5k I'm not too sure about the 5sfe engine cuz i dont own one. But My friend does own a b16A1 91 CRX si so i know loads of info on them.

Don't even try racing him save your gas.

[Supersprynt]

The other week I raced a B16 swapped 97/98 Civic hatch and it wasnt all that impressive, then again i have a 3s so its a lil diferent, but if i was with the 5s he woulda won.

[turboinduction]

lol - you'll get spanked

But DO NOT FORGET - you'll still look better at the finishline- even in 2nd place. You'll need a turbo at FWHP of 200 to keep up/beat a b16c3/5 swapped rex. Things are incredibly light, have higher HP, and top end in no mans land. Think about it. A STOCK Honda Civic EX. Its SOHC and has roughly 10 less HP. That car and a Celica GT are about even. Now add a DOHC and boost HP up 40, then drop 300lbs.... now you'll be reading the letters of a 15 year car through your front windshield.