 RSX-S Vs Celica 7A-FTE, gonna happen soon........ |
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 Aug 12, 2004 - 7:23 AM
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 Enthusiast  Joined Oct 28, '02 From Europe, Lithuania Currently Offline Reputation: 8 (100%)  |
well, my best friend bought RSX-S (preveusly he drove Civic SiR b16A). So now we got in a talk who would win - my Celica with Turbo kit or RSX-S?? What do you think guys... Im planing to run about 160-180 hp with my Celi. His RSX MAY BE still stock, maybe some basic mods (CAI, Exhaust and etc)...
So, i was just thinking, maybe i should ask you turbo guys who raced the Trex, maybe you will give some sugestions... Thanks.. P.S. Race will be on 1/4 mile road. This post has been edited by doGGy: Aug 12, 2004 - 7:24 AM -------------------- Ex celica owner - just a guy from other side of the pond...
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Aug 12, 2004 - 7:40 AM
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 Enthusiast Joined Feb 10, '03 From Connecticut Currently Offline Reputation: 11 (100%) |
Thats a huge increase for the ST engine, dyno it and post some sheets.
IMO he'll still win; especially off the line since he's got N/A while u gotta wait for the spool up, even if it is a couple seconds it still makes a difference. This post has been edited by Supersprynt: Aug 12, 2004 - 7:41 AM -------------------- |
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Aug 12, 2004 - 7:59 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Oct 28, '02 From Europe, Lithuania Currently Offline Reputation: 8 (100%) |
Spool on ST is instant, practicly all ST-T where starting to spool up on about 2500 rpm... and Torque difference will be big, as long as RSX has about 140 Nm torq... and ST running at the stock internas and 6 psi already has about 160 Nm.... -------------------- Ex celica owner - just a guy from other side of the pond...
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Aug 12, 2004 - 8:27 AM
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 Enthusiast Joined Nov 4, '02 From Hecho en la Republica Dominicana/Living in NJ Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
i think its going to be close.. doggy your 7afe is the same one we have here in the states... your vid clips have proven that... i would look to see that race have some one recored it...
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Aug 12, 2004 - 8:33 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Oct 28, '02 From Europe, Lithuania Currently Offline Reputation: 8 (100%) |
Mac, that race will be recorded for sure... And my 7a is still N/A for now, and these vids dont show anything beside that it is slow as ****...  Well, if everything alright i will make another custom turbo header this weekend (for my car) and i will try to run all the missing IC piping too. After that only thing that will be left is to install my kit and dyno tune it. So i will let ya guys know ow much HP i will gain.
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Aug 12, 2004 - 9:04 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Feb 10, '03 From Connecticut Currently Offline Reputation: 11 (100%) |
Exactly "almost instant" whereas he has 200hp instantly. The JDM CT26 is nearly fully spooled at 3K so I know its pretty quick, the ceramic turbine helps.
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Aug 12, 2004 - 9:51 AM
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 Enthusiast Joined Sep 30, '02 From Washington Spokane / Coeur D' Alene Idaho Currently Offline Reputation: 11 (100%) |
i think you can take him doggy
-------------------- yea your 3sgte is cool but ill stick to my 7agte
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Aug 12, 2004 - 10:17 AM
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agreed.. I think ud take it
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Aug 12, 2004 - 10:54 AM
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I think it'll be a close race. Is the RSX-S completely stock? Those things get pretty good gains from simple bolt-ons.
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Aug 12, 2004 - 12:00 PM
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He won't reach reach 200 hp instantly. Won't he have to rev it pretty high until he hits that mark? |
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Aug 12, 2004 - 12:02 PM
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Yeah, he'll reach peak horsepower at 7,400 RPM. -------------------- New Toyota project coming soon...
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Aug 12, 2004 - 1:02 PM
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I know that wight isnt to much of in issue, but an rsx does have about 300 pounds.. with a very lil trq.. but hondas can still haul.. I would love to see the race though..
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Aug 12, 2004 - 2:40 PM
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$5 on Dogfather...
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Aug 12, 2004 - 3:03 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Sep 30, '02 From Washington Spokane / Coeur D' Alene Idaho Currently Offline Reputation: 11 (100%) |
i'll put my money on doggy
http://www.todaracing.com/products/honda_k...engine_kit.html DYNO RESULTS (power at the wheels) 2002 RSX Type-S Horse Power Torque ft/lbs Stock 171.9 @7800rpm 122 @ 6500rpm -------------------- yea your 3sgte is cool but ill stick to my 7agte
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Aug 12, 2004 - 5:46 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Dec 27, '03 From Nor Cal Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
You'll get spanked... ;]
Now for a story... we have a K20A2 (RSX-S motor) powered 2003 Civic SI with bolt-ons (CAI, Header, exhaust) and Hondata K-Pro (they're actually better than Toda's ECU programs). Car has not been tracked yet... but I'll gurantee you... at least a mid 14 second car. He's gonna be making a lot of power on you... and then some. As for peak power... matters mostly for one gear (1st)... after that... honda trannies are geared short so they stay in their power-band. Torque also will be of little factor. and nik: that post to the Toda website should solidify the reason why the RSX-S will win. It'll make nearly 200 horses to the wheels with bolt-ons, which Doggy says his friend will most likely have. Either way... a Turbo 7AFE at 8psi or so is only gonna make around 180 hp at the crank... which the RSX-s still has a large advantage over. -------------------- "It's ok to be naked girl... I'm an artist!"
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Aug 12, 2004 - 8:07 PM
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lots of torque tho...
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Aug 12, 2004 - 8:23 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Dec 16, '02 From Cincinnati, Ohio Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
yeah the torque will help. The lack of torque that the rsx kinda evens out the lower HP that ddoggy has. I think it'll be really close
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Aug 12, 2004 - 8:31 PM
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Administrator Joined Aug 23, '02 From Seattle, WA Currently Offline Reputation: 14 (100%) |
Have you guys ever driven an RSX-S? The lack of torque only really feels apparent in the lower part of first gear. From VTEC in first until you decide you're going fast enough, the car pulls pretty hard.
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Aug 12, 2004 - 8:35 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Dec 27, '03 From Nor Cal Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Grrr... I just gotta keep explaining shiat to people... doesn't work that way... pointless argument... on and on. The RSX-S's torque does NOT work against him. Why not? It's all in the gearing. The tranny will be geared to utilize the horsepower... and less of the torque. How? geared really short. In comparison... the 7AFTE tranny will not be geared to best utilize the torque cause it was not designed for that powerband... It'll be as best you can get... but i'll bet slightly taller gearing will get better acceleration out of a turbo 7AFE. Honda's short gearing will almost always make it a Horsepower race. Just consider... if torque meant so much, wouldn't a Tractor or something be able walk all over high Horsepower cars? it's all in the gearing... -------------------- "It's ok to be naked girl... I'm an artist!"
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Aug 12, 2004 - 8:41 PM
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Administrator Joined Aug 23, '02 From Seattle, WA Currently Offline Reputation: 14 (100%) |
You guys should read this. It's got some really good knowledge in there.
 Note the last paragraph: "It's better to make torque at high rpm than at low rpm, because you can take advantage of gearing." -------------------- New Toyota project coming soon...
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