umm...sure buddy.... Options

[jmoneydtb]

*the numbers are quotes taken from 2nd post on supra tt engine swap thread by charlie97L*

1) Yes, the 2JZ has 320 HP stock, and the 3S-GTE has 225-255 HP (depending on the year). However the 3S-GTE has more potential than the 2JZ.

how so? a stock longblock that can hold over 1000 whp and run 10.5's???....

2) It is interesting to note, that in almost every instance when a tuning company has built a Supra to race, they put in a 3S-GTE. Why? You can get a lot more HP out of it. (I know, if you can do this, why can’t you put the 2JZ in the Celica? It is because you can mount the 3S-GTE longitudinally in the HUGE Supra engine bay, lots of room to work.)

um wrong...they swap cause its lighter and can make up to the legal amount of power for that race circuit, and because there is more room to work with... and they do not swap for a 3s when on a drag circuit.

3) The 3S-GTE has won multiple World Rally Championships for Toyota, and Rallying is really the most strenuous test you can put on an engine. What has the 2JZ done, besides been in the Fast and the Furious? Nothing.

true the 3s-gte is awesome, its used in rally cause its light and makes good power, they also keep it in a celica for rally! supras arent meant for rally! and just to let you know, f&f was a ricers dream come true...it doesnt give the supra any credit that it deserves.

4) While I’m on the F&F, Supras are not 10-second cars stock. And it’s going to take a lot more than “15 grand” to make a 2JZ hit the 10 second mark.

correct...supras arent 10 second cars...they 7 second cars...i have personally worked on a supra w/ only about $7g and it is a low 11 second car. (no n2o, we dont believe in that stuff) just have to be smart and know what your doing.

sorry for bringin up the supra again on a celica forum...but someone obviously knows a lot more about celicas than they know about supras...

This post has been edited by jmoneydtb: Aug 23, 2004 - 2:07 PM

[Sev408]

what the hell is this post for??

nobody gives a **** about what this guy says nor when he said it.


and 7gs to get 11s? are you running stock tires on that bitch?
2 turbos or single
BPU + or ++]

7gs wont get **** but a decent car on stock rubber.

[acenova]

LOL, damn man. I'm not gonna argue w/ all this stuff. PErsonally, it seems like as far as qualifications, the two engines even eachother out. On the race circuit, the 3s is optimal and on the drag circuit, the 2JZ is optimal. Personally I don't feel their should be an argument or bitter feelings. One person may not have fully looked into the supra engines. Personally, I LOVE SUPRAS to death. Supras and Celicas are my favorite above all sport cars. We are all TRD in here, so if anything, inform someone and educate us on the supra rather than battle. I know you're not causing conflict, but we're all in love w/ the two cars, and TRD supporters, so lets work together for a better TRD tomorrow.

[jmoneydtb]

lol...yeah true, its just got on me that dude was all about just one thing being the awesomest over all without all the facts...sorry everybody. a better trd tomorrow...i like that one...lol

sev 408 - its apu, sp63 turbo, hks 272 cams, hks 80mm wastegate, 3" exhaust, Greddy 4row fmic, apexi safc, greddy type-s bov. i say $7g cause we are back on stock block now cause the other block got messed up bad. dont buy arizona clutch disk! the disk is too hard and causes crankwalk. if that hadnt happened we would still have the je 20 over forged 8.5:1 pistons running 25psi w/ about 575-600 whp...and it would there would be $10g into it instead of $7g, now we are at 23 psi and around 550 whp. we havent officially timed it at the track on the new setup but it did run a 12 on the factory turbos. damn those itty bitty 550cc injectors!

This post has been edited by jmoneydtb: Aug 23, 2004 - 2:46 PM

[Sev408]

id look at the RPS Carbon/ Carbon Clutch but that costs $2,795.00. **** the Carbon Carbon clutch is one of the best out there and will last you a nice long time and works well with streetable rides. Dont forget to do something with that flywheel!


it ceases to amaze me how people buy supras and put the cheapest **** on them that they can buy. Oh look the JIC coilovers are $1700 but wait i can buy KYBs and some aerospeed "coilovers" for $500 total. Wow Ill go with that setup because Im sure its awsome and it saves me Sooo much money.

My Answer to them

RUN THAT BITCH OFF A DAMN CLIFF!!

You wanna buy low grade **** put it on a civic not on a ****ing supra.


now you can classify me as one of the many supra assholes.

This post has been edited by Sev408: Aug 23, 2004 - 2:58 PM

[SlowCelica94]

Yeah Sev great idea. Cuz money just falls out of everyone's ass.

I bet 15 grand you could a supra in the tens. It wouldn't be the most solid setup, but it could be done. Slicks, big ass turbo, fuel pump, rail, injectors, FMIC, e-manage, clutch. Then strip her down as best as you can. I'm just pulling this outta my ass, cause I know sr20s a lot better then 2jz's but that could work for a 240.

[boosted_K2]

i agree with the general jist of your post, but that isnt the point. the point is how foolish it is to try to shoehorn a 2jz motor into a 6th generation celica instead of getting a 3sgte. the swap isnt feasable for any reasonable ammount of money, and the point charlie was making when he posted that years ago was to show the 3sgte is a perfectly capable engine and you dont need an overhyped twin turbo motor to get you a good ammount of power.

[97sccelica]

[Magic]

Very Interesting post....
I have seen Supras Running with STOCK internals and getting 600bhp!!!Just with fine tuning and bigger Turbos.
Of course you cant do this on a 3SGTE but 3SGTE has prove that its a pure racing engine.And the 3SGTE on the New Caldina its more reliable cuz Toyota had made some changes at the 2nd Cylinder(guys with a lot of hp on 3SGTEs must know that the 2nd Cylinder on 3gen 3SGTE its very thin,the link actually between cylinders) so we should expect to see more HP without big modifications on the new 3SGTE engines from Toyota

[Sev408]

well stock block and all on a supra will hold mucho power but like i said 7k for a supra is cheap ass parts, prolly with low quality.

and a carbon carbon clutch maybe expensive but as i stated before if you half ass a supra then you should burn in hell. and if you want a 7 sec car then you damn well better buy the damn carbon carbon clutch.

i dont know if anyone has noticed but most supra owners are like doctors or businessmen who make money and dont half ass their car.

however the half ass people are normally highschool kids who daddy bought the car for and they are broke asses who buy cheap ass **** because there buddy with the rice burner civic has the same part. this also includes college students and other poor ass people.

[Sev408]

[97sccelica]

[Sev408]

ill admit i didnt buy my car, it was given to me by my mom. She bought it new and because i have payed my dues, gotten a lacrosse scholarship, done the grades and havent done any dumbass things like my brother did to have his camaro sold. but i know what my limits are and what needs to be done.

when my friend comes over with his civic to install something that he bought for $10 i laugh at him and refuse to install it. he knows i baby my car, **** i did a transmission swap and completed everything the way it would have come stock, cept with a stage 1 clutch, and short shifter. but everything is mounted where it would have come, all the clips the clutch depressed to start it.

i hate half assed cars and i hate even more a supra that has KYB shocks with aerospeed coilovers because JIC magic or Tein supers are just to expensive for the little rich boy who doesnt have a job and has like 8 speeding tickets and daddy just pays the insurance even though his son is a ****ing incompetent jackass.

[Anub1s]

wow man so much spite. I like you hate all of the incompetant rich boys out there... There is this columbian guy that I see cruising around in his 98' TT (I know he columbian by the flag he has hanging in the mirror) he's a very large jack ass and really doesn't even know how to drive the dang thing. I will have to take some pictures of the one that is at my work building and also the one that guy drives around, they are so hot. I agree with most of the things said here, if it is done half ass style, it should never have been done in the first place. If I owned a Supra and wanted to upgrade parts, I would save a ton of money to get top rated stuff, not just crap.

[Kwanza26]

Heheh... 7 second Supra... you know... 1000+ whp Supras have such serious traction issues they rarely leave the 9 second bracket... but whatever... if you can manage to fit transversely a 2JZ into a Celica engine bay, you'll be forever deemed a toyota engineering GENIUS...

[Silver94CelicaOw...]

This reminds me of my Supra experience. I met a guy with a black 1993 N/A Supra 5spd that was in beautiful shape and I got to drive it back in early July. He used to own two 5th gen Celicas and sold both to get a Supra for 13k.

Supras are definately a car to be beckoned with, because their build quality is excellent. From being fortunate enough to experience a MKIV Supra first hand and spending time around a few Supras of different generations in the past, they all have amazing characteristics and tons of tuning potential. Even the N/A 2JZGE has good muscle, let alone a twin turbo 2JZGTE which is an engine to rival most any engine in production.

Same with the 3SGTE. Its another amazing engine built by Toyota designed to provide lots of power and be run hard, just like the Supra. However to compare one engine to the other just isnt fair, considering the 2JZ is a hugely powerful and bottomless inline 6, and the 3S starts as a tiny 2 liter four mounted horizontally.

Both serve their purpose very well for the vehicles they came in, and are perfectly suited for that specific application, and thats why they were chosen. So in other words, Ill take a 3S in my Celica, and a 2JZ in a Supra, because thats where they belong. So when you start to compare the engines to eachother, its kind of pointless, considering they were built for two totally different types of cars with different power needs/transmission layouts/weight figures, etc.