 Celica STX, Different performance wise? |
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 Aug 23, 2004 - 5:22 PM
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Enthusiast  Joined Aug 29, '02 From New York City, NY Currently Offline Reputation: 1 (100%)  |
Mr.Supra...quoting this from another forum & I will find more to back it up.
Why would a crappy 3s-gte motor be in a supra?!   (will edit my post with more info.) Also not saying that it is still in use but they had to be using it in the past for a reason...Edit: Anyone knows with the HP rating from a HKS Drag Celica? I can't seem to find them. =/ This post has been edited by Meonspeed: Aug 23, 2004 - 5:32 PM |
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Aug 23, 2004 - 5:33 PM
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 Administrator Joined Aug 23, '02 From Seattle, WA Currently Offline Reputation: 14 (100%) |
Yeah, get it on video. There's no way that a stock V8 Mustang in good condition driven by a good driver would lose to a stock Celica ST. -------------------- New Toyota project coming soon...
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Aug 23, 2004 - 5:37 PM
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 Moderator Joined Apr 17, '03 From Rockland NY Currently Offline Reputation: 15 (100%) |
BS
a dealer loaded st-x w/ a cold air intake will not beat a gt period. good bye --------------------  I will return one day. |
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Aug 23, 2004 - 5:37 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Aug 30, '02 From Anaheim, CA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
ever consider the fact that the mustang was not racing?
v8 cars can be loud, even when they are not trying to go anywhere. what year mustang was it? any mustang that isnt a NA 4cylinder mustang is faster than a celica ST/STX any 7afe powered 6gc will need ~200hp to pull on a mustang GT, how do i know? because i had one, turbo ST at 8psi, it was faster than 1999+ GT's which, stock for stock, are faster than all the other 90's mustangs. from a stop, it was pretty even until around 70mph, but from 20mph, i was always atleast 2 cars ahead. thats with stock mustangs, anything beyond exhaust on a 99+ GT they make huge gains. are you saying that cams and timing make almost as much of a difference as 8psi of boost? even if the STX came with special performance mods such as advanced timing and different cams, a 7afe with out nitrous or boost or serious internal mods, is slow and under the 130 crank hp mark it wouldnt even be as powerful as a plain 6gc GT i also doubt that the same guy owned a 6th gen GT4, let alone selling it and buying an ST -------------------- 1994 Celica GT4 WRC Edition
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Aug 23, 2004 - 7:18 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Dec 27, '03 From Nor Cal Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
I think I'm gonna stop trying to explain shiat to people who just don't listen... If you're conviced your friend's STX is fast and apparently will not listen to anything other than that... then whatever dude...
It's pretty obvious your knowledge about cars is pretty limited also... so believe what you want to... and don't ask questions if you're not gonna listen. -------------------- "It's ok to be naked girl... I'm an artist!"
1995 AT200 Celica ST: stocked out daily driver... 1984 AE86 Corolla GT-SR5: silvertop 20V 4AGE project car jacked up with goodies... 1991 SW2x MR2 n/a: bare bones hardtop model soon to be... |
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Aug 23, 2004 - 7:26 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Nov 4, '02 From Hecho en la Republica Dominicana/Living in NJ Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
this topic is getting ceazy .. let just take his word for it and leave it at that.. and hope he shows prof..
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Aug 23, 2004 - 7:38 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Dec 27, '03 From Nor Cal Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Hehe... BTW: Who makes cams for the 7AFE? Unless it's custom... NOBODY DOES. Curious why you guys keep bringing it up. Just so you know, toyota FE heads don't respond well to any bolt-on modifications... dyno proven. You'll get maybe 5-10 hp TOTAL... I've built 2 Celica ST's to date so I've been around the engine with a highly built motor and a mildly tuned motor, and I just don't see it as a big performance engine with the stock head in n/a trim. Narrow angle design, limited cam timing, no great flow or induction, weak valvetrain, PURE ECONO motor... explain to me how you could possibly classify this car... or to be more exact, this motor, to be anything related to performance? Do that, and tell me your exact mods, which I'll tell you now, I HAVE done before (cause I've done just about everything possible to the 7AFE n/a, with exception to cams), and maybe someone here will believe you. Sounds more like you're just a bunch of high-school kids all into the current fad racing scene, as you list ignition wires and such as performance parts...  With that said... your friend cannot beat me... the only thing I lack, is my S-AFC... which limits me back to my stock econo fuel maps. Even still... my car will run low 16's without hesitation... and that's saying something with regard to these car's. As for engines... who brought up the 2JZ? It's like comparing apples and oranges... when comparing the 2JZGTE to the 3SGTE. FYI... the 2JZ is a renowned DRAG motor... while the 3SGTE is a TRACK motor. Know your differences before you start going off on numbers. I'll tell you now... a 1200 whp Supra ain't gonna beat a 500 whp MR-2 or Celica on the track... a little something called traction. To finish... I know you're not trying to talk shiat or anything like that, but some people here know their stuff... and if you're gonna argue against the contrary, you better know you're stuff and have the experience to back it up... a bit beyond asking everyone to take your word for it... -------------------- "It's ok to be naked girl... I'm an artist!"
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Aug 23, 2004 - 7:45 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 29, '02 From New York City, NY Currently Offline Reputation: 1 (100%) |
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Aug 23, 2004 - 8:30 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Feb 13, '03 From California Currently Offline Reputation: 2 (100%) |
i agree with kwanza completly(simply cuz he knows his s**t)
but anyways no one ever said that the 3s is better than the 2jz...they are both great motors but in their own ways(apples and oranges people) secondly lets state the obvious 1. never will a stock(or semi modified) st beat a stock gt (keep in mind both good drivers and both cars in good condition) 2. our motors were obviously not built for high hp numbers..you want power buy yourself a 3sgte or a 4ag(z)e 3. unless you have proof, dont state bogus crap...my friend has a 2jz in his celi, or i know a guy who did the awd conversion....MY FRIENDS ST BEAT A V8 MUSTANG!!!! look we all know your lying. basically in this forum we all think you are guilty until proven innocent...so if you dont got proof dont even post it 4. before you post something, search it most of the stupid (some not stupid) questions have been answered already just 80% of the people here are too lazy to search 5. drop the stx gtx subject already...theres no performance difference , get over it , you're not special. 6. dont get me wrong i love the supra and i would kill for one. but on the track a celi or a mr2 would waste a supra...and on the dragstrip it depends on what you got i didnt mean to offend anybody specifically...but seriously people READ AND DO YOUR RESEARCH!!! This post has been edited by fastgt: Aug 23, 2004 - 8:31 PM -------------------- 2011 Spice Orange Mini Cooper
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Aug 23, 2004 - 8:53 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Dec 13, '03 From Alabama Currently Offline Reputation: 1 (100%) |
The stx did beat the stang gt though. They were right in front of me. I know it's nothing without proof. Maybe the gt driver sucked, who knows.
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Aug 23, 2004 - 8:53 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Oct 1, '02 From Minnesota, USA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Its pretty simple. You lost torque by having an exhaust that decreased backpressure to the point of losing power. That is why unless you turbo your car or have some other type of forced induction you do not want a big exhaust with no cats. you lose backpressure and therefore lose torque. Easy and simple as that. The STX is the same as ST but if you take an STX vs. an ST with minimal backpressure which causes torque loss....well then your ST is slower. DER!
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Aug 23, 2004 - 9:02 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Feb 13, '03 From California Currently Offline Reputation: 2 (100%) |
the only way that st beat the stang is if the v8 was falling apart , the guy mishifts like crazy....or threw it in reverse instead of first
dude my gt cant even take a stang This post has been edited by fastgt: Aug 23, 2004 - 9:02 PM -------------------- 2011 Spice Orange Mini Cooper
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Aug 23, 2004 - 9:06 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 29, '02 From New York City, NY Currently Offline Reputation: 1 (100%) |
How about this, cause everyone will continue to speak against you: get a dv-cam, a stang, the famous STX & record it all & just upload it so we can see it & if it's what you say, you'll shut alot of us up, if not then you dug yourself into your own hole so we can finally drop this subject. |
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Aug 23, 2004 - 9:39 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 23, '04 From theodore,al and norfolk,va Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
look just so you idiots know the stx did pull the stang gt which is a slow ass car anyway and so you know it was a 98 stang and we aren't trying to impress the idiots on this board who think they are the **** with a 16 second car bottom line is that until you see the car which justin did or ride in it which justin did do then you don't know **** about the car the mustang didn't miss a gear and yes he did try to race the celica and there are 5 of us plus the guy in the mustang that all know he lost to a stock stx with a homemade cold air that me and my brother made and put on the car earlier that day if you doubt me **** you too I really don't give a **** cuz I watched it happen just like justin,jmoneydtb,and my fiancee. and if you did know **** about the stx then you would know that the rods are just a bit longer for higher compression the stx dynos 150 to the tires and the st puts what 110 so obviously somethin is different call bs or whatever none of us have to prove **** to any of you especially since we all saw it this is the third stx that I have personally seen put 150 to the tires in totally stock settings.
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Aug 23, 2004 - 9:49 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 29, '02 From New York City, NY Currently Offline Reputation: 1 (100%) |
Dude, words are words. Show proof or just leave the topic alone, only thing everyone else is gonna say at this point.
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Aug 23, 2004 - 9:52 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 23, '04 From theodore,al and norfolk,va Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
and to 97sccelica he does have a gt4 celica we will probably be working on that in the coming weeks just to let you know
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Aug 23, 2004 - 10:30 PM
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Moderator Joined Apr 17, '03 From Rockland NY Currently Offline Reputation: 15 (100%) |
"What the hell is a Celica STX and GTX?"
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The 90-93 Celicas came in four main trims: ST, GT, GT-S, and All-Trac. Two trims that were not offered at the factory level are the STX and the GTX. What exactly are they? The STX and GTX were offered at the dealer-level. They were used to promote the car similar to how "Special Edition" will catch a buyer's attention. The "X" trim levels made the Celica ST and GT seem more unique, special, and rare. The most common addition to the STX and GTX trims is the badging. They included pinstriping and STX and GTX badges on the sides and rear. The STX received: a rear spoiler (not originally offered at the factory- or dealer-level with the ST), aluminum wheels (not originally offered at the factory- or dealer-level with the ST), and (in some cases) the Power Package (power windows and power locks; not offered at the factory- or dealer-level with the ST). The GTX has the same available options as a regular GT but with the addition of the GTX badging. Despite rumors, they have no advantages in performance. No super-special engine; no super-special suspension. The STX and GTX are the ST and GT with eXtra options. Emphasis on the "X" badging. Straight from http://www.henryvo.com/ guy please go back to the rock you crawled under from. you guys cant even come up with one ounce of evidence that an STX has longer rods why ? because it doesnt ! show me some part numbers how about some pictures oh wait thats right you dont have any. we try to stay truthful here, and help each other out. so I would suggest dropping ur story, cause that all it is I would love to see a dyno video of your 150 WHP stx. This post has been edited by defgeph: Aug 23, 2004 - 10:31 PM -------------------- I will return one day. |
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Aug 23, 2004 - 10:36 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Feb 13, '03 From California Currently Offline Reputation: 2 (100%) |
well...uh uh uh....my gt came with a limited edition trd supercharger its called the gt-z seriously....talk is cheap....u show me dyno sheets of the car , video of the race and if your so sure that the stx puts down that power what did the gtx put down? why would toyota only make that for the stx not the gtx....or the gt or the st...why is your so special...its obviously bull and you want to convince us look im done with this post i hate arguing with people that dont know any better and try to pretend that they know about cars -------------------- 2011 Spice Orange Mini Cooper
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Aug 23, 2004 - 10:41 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 29, '02 From New York City, NY Currently Offline Reputation: 1 (100%) |
^^ that's to 6g members too, we are just gonna keep arguing over this & without proof , its pointless so just sit back & drink a cold one. 
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Aug 23, 2004 - 10:42 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Dec 27, '02 From Sleep in Warren chill in clinton twp, works/school in detroit Currently Offline Reputation: 1 (100%) |
same engine teh only thing is that theres that bbs rims that comes with it with 205
tires  i call bs on beating a mustang .... i live in detroit and i know that my stx will never beat one unless heavily modded i have stx and its no different from my old st just mo options This post has been edited by rlan214: Aug 23, 2004 - 10:45 PM --------------------  |
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