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post Sep 3, 2004 - 12:15 PM
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QUOTE (NEVERSTOP @ Sep 3, 2004 - 9:58 AM)

bwilison.. how much you want for your two spare green/yellowish greens?


I have 2 of each. There's nothing I'm ever going to do with them so if you PM me your address I'll give them to you for free. I haven't a clue where they are ATM but I'll keep a look out for them.

Also I'd like to see posts in this thread that has anything to do with the 5sfTe. Lets make this thread like a note book for 5sfTe'rs.

This post has been edited by 1bwilson: Sep 3, 2004 - 12:17 PM


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post Sep 3, 2004 - 1:01 PM
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free? wow thats a pretty good deal, I bought 2 from him over a year ago for 60 bucks, yeah they came in the mail a few weeks ago.

but as long as there free, sounds like a deal.


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post Sep 3, 2004 - 1:59 PM
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So Itchy, how is highway driving with the turbo setup?? I know that at around 70mph my tach is at 3.5k RPMS....so is constantly boosting taking a toll on the engine whatsoever? I would only consider boosting the 5SFE if it was going to be reliable, but that could be a gamble on a car with 160,000 miles I suppose. wink.gif But you never know, it might work fine since I just got a tune up earlier this spring.

I wish you lived closer, then I would have you take me for a ride to experience it first hand.


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post Sep 3, 2004 - 2:03 PM
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nah while crusing ur not boosting. i cruise at 4k doing 80mph. and no boost just vaccum so its like being N/A


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post Sep 3, 2004 - 2:51 PM
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yeah...its kind of funny how a turbo works.... you could be at 5,000rpm and still not generate any boost. you have to floor it, or give it plenty of gas for the turbo to spool up and hit boost.


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post Sep 3, 2004 - 4:02 PM
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QUOTE (lagos @ Sep 3, 2004 - 12:51 PM)
yeah...its kind of funny how a turbo works.... you could be at 5,000rpm and still not generate any boost. you have to floor it, or give it plenty of gas for the turbo to spool up and hit boost.

Thats an odd fact, I never knew that. smile.gif


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post Sep 3, 2004 - 7:43 PM
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QUOTE (1bwilson @ Sep 3, 2004 - 2:02 PM)
QUOTE (lagos @ Sep 3, 2004 - 12:51 PM)
yeah...its kind of funny how a turbo works.... you could be at 5,000rpm and still not generate any boost. you have to floor it, or give it plenty of gas for the turbo to spool up and hit boost.

Thats an odd fact, I never knew that. smile.gif

Nor did I....thats pretty cool though. I'm sure it eats much less gas that way, and also keeps down on engine wear and such.

Heres another question regarding a turbo setup. If I wanted boost to come in sooner, would I just adjust the wastegate in some way or is that dictated by the turbo itself?

BTW 1bwilson, let us know how your setup works. I'm curious how it will perform and what the drivability will be like. I havent ruled out a turbo for my 5S, and hearing Itchy's sucess makes me think that just getting a well tuned turbo setup might be smarter for me to do....I have a shop lined up who could install it and tune everything professionally.


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post Sep 3, 2004 - 11:39 PM
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QUOTE (Silver94CelicaOwner @ Sep 4, 2004 - 12:43 AM)
QUOTE (1bwilson @ Sep 3, 2004 - 2:02 PM)
QUOTE (lagos @ Sep 3, 2004 - 12:51 PM)
yeah...its kind of funny how a turbo works.... you could be at 5,000rpm and still not generate any boost. you have to floor it, or give it plenty of gas for the turbo to spool up and hit boost.

Thats an odd fact, I never knew that. smile.gif

Nor did I....thats pretty cool though. I'm sure it eats much less gas that way, and also keeps down on engine wear and such.

Heres another question regarding a turbo setup. If I wanted boost to come in sooner, would I just adjust the wastegate in some way or is that dictated by the turbo itself?

BTW 1bwilson, let us know how your setup works. I'm curious how it will perform and what the drivability will be like. I havent ruled out a turbo for my 5S, and hearing Itchy's sucess makes me think that just getting a well tuned turbo setup might be smarter for me to do....I have a shop lined up who could install it and tune everything professionally.

turbo lag's dependent on a lot of features.. the amount of piping you have, the size of the intercooler; and most of all, the size of the turbo. The best way to get rid of turbo lag is to buy a nice little boost controller that will "learn" your turbo; and adjust the wastegate etc for u
post Sep 4, 2004 - 6:18 AM
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Your not going to get a turbo to boost before its stock time, or if you do its not going to be happy. For quicker boost/ less lag Id go with as little piping as possible and maybe only a 2" diam pipe.


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post Sep 5, 2004 - 10:02 PM
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one of you guys need to take a pic of the coolant/oil lines and how you ran them.....

PLEASE!!!!!!

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post Sep 5, 2004 - 11:03 PM
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just i good thought if you dont want to get scared with the turbo 5s make sure you restrict the oil on the oil feed cause its to much pressure and seels well leak when you rev to make boost and you get some nice smoke , itchy and myself had the exactly same effect from it and it scares you but all is well just lower the pressure and you should be fine
post Sep 6, 2004 - 12:20 AM
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yea have talked to itchy and you about that.. just want to see pics of how you guys ran everything... thatway I can improve on the design wink.gif


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post Sep 6, 2004 - 1:41 AM
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QUOTE (Silver94CelicaOwner @ Sep 3, 2004 - 4:43 PM)
QUOTE (1bwilson @ Sep 3, 2004 - 2:02 PM)
QUOTE (lagos @ Sep 3, 2004 - 12:51 PM)
yeah...its kind of funny how a turbo works.... you could be at 5,000rpm and still not generate any boost. you have to floor it, or give it plenty of gas for the turbo to spool up and hit boost.

Thats an odd fact, I never knew that. smile.gif

Nor did I....thats pretty cool though. I'm sure it eats much less gas that way, and also keeps down on engine wear and such.

Heres another question regarding a turbo setup. If I wanted boost to come in sooner, would I just adjust the wastegate in some way or is that dictated by the turbo itself?

BTW 1bwilson, let us know how your setup works. I'm curious how it will perform and what the drivability will be like. I havent ruled out a turbo for my 5S, and hearing Itchy's sucess makes me think that just getting a well tuned turbo setup might be smarter for me to do....I have a shop lined up who could install it and tune everything professionally.

turbos make boost when the engine is under more load

cruising around, little load, no boost
mild acceleration, little load, no boost
hard acceleration, more load, some boost
WOT, heavy load, full boost

thats why if you look at the MPG rating of a turbo car, the highway mpg is way higher than the city mpg

my wrx is rated at 20 city and 28 highway

there are several ways to make a engine hit boost sooner. tightening the wastegate will make for more boost, not sooner boost.

the less exhaust you have, the sooner the turbo will spool, have less volume between the turbo and throttle body, boost will come on sooner.


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post Sep 6, 2004 - 11:28 AM
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QUOTE (pxcr440 @ Sep 5, 2004 - 9:03 PM)
just i good thought if you dont want to get scared with the turbo 5s make sure you restrict the oil on the oil feed cause its to much pressure and seels well leak when you rev to make boost and you get some nice smoke , itchy and myself had the exactly same effect from it and it scares you but all is well just lower the pressure and you should be fine

How would you restrict the oil flow to the turbo? Is there a certain fitting you and Itchy used to restrict it, or is there some other way?

Also like NEVERSTOP, I would like some pics of the routing of oil and coolant lines too that way I can get a better idea of what works best.


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post Sep 6, 2004 - 1:14 PM
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QUOTE (Silver94CelicaOwner @ Sep 6, 2004 - 9:28 AM)
QUOTE (pxcr440 @ Sep 5, 2004 - 9:03 PM)
just i good thought if you dont want to get scared with the turbo 5s make sure you restrict the oil on the oil feed cause its to much pressure and seels well leak when you rev to make boost and you get some nice smoke , itchy and myself had the exactly same effect from it and it scares you but all is well just lower the pressure and you should be fine

How would you restrict the oil flow to the turbo? Is there a certain fitting you and Itchy used to restrict it, or is there some other way?

Also like NEVERSTOP, I would like some pics of the routing of oil and coolant lines too that way I can get a better idea of what works best.

I agree, I would like to know how you restricted the flow.


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post Sep 6, 2004 - 1:38 PM
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i had to make custom oil lines from the start so i used steal brake line. the rason i had to make the lines was because i have a supra single entry turbo so it had supra oil lines. i just put a few crimps in the steel line with pliers. i started the car to make sure oil was still coming out. and its fine. and has been fine for awile.


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post Sep 6, 2004 - 10:51 PM
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what about using the water bypass pipe and the water outlet junction off the 3sgte?? I have them and thing it would work fine. It looks like there is only one extra sensor opening on the 3sgte one otherwise its basically the same.. would have to reroute a few hoses but oh well.. that would take care of the coolant lines to the turbo and would reroute the radiator inlet hose nicely.

the only problem I can come up with it one just a visiual inspections is that on the water bypass pipe on the 3s there is and extra pipe that runs under it that is welded on that runs coolant lines to the rear of the block.. the 5sfe does not have this as far as I can tell so I would have to cap them off somehow and hope It doesnt come loose.

here is what I am talking about... these are from the Toyota Repair manual for the 5th gen so the 5sfe is slightly different but basics parts are the same.

3sgte

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5sfe

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this doesnt help with the oil lines but would help a little. I diffently think this would work unless I am missing something major here.. the only thing I can think of is the bypass pipes not mounting to the water pump.. and the oil cooler lines which run in/out on the 5s where the 3s it runs in off the bypass and out into the pump... see diagrams. I could fix this my swapping the oil cooler and water pump to the 3s one.

would still like to know how the oil inlet pipe was run... like detailed instruct or pic perferably.


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post Sep 6, 2004 - 10:54 PM
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nice


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post Sep 8, 2004 - 1:09 PM
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I just got my car back from the shop from the complete rebuild. Its running nicely. I have a grand total of 25 miles on the motor. Im going to do a oil change at 500 miles and then one at 1500 and alls good I'll be putting the turbo on the car soon.


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post Sep 9, 2004 - 11:54 PM
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$60 bucks shipped

mr2oc is awesome biggrin.gif

Oring kits should be here tomorrow or the next day


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