 My CelicavsFriend Civic EX, DAMN!!!!! |
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 Sep 18, 2004 - 11:02 PM
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 Enthusiast  Joined Aug 30, '02 From Anaheim, CA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%)  |
yea with a turbo 5sfe, sure his car is faster than a GSR but he said that even before turbo he had no problems with hondas mike, most of the guys on supra forums are assholes that think their car is the greatest thing to roll on 4 wheels. and someone certainly can build a supra to beat ferraris or lambo's but at the end of the day, the guy in the supra is driving a toyota that ceased production in 1998 while the others are driving ferraris/lambos -------------------- 1994 Celica GT4 WRC Edition
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Sep 18, 2004 - 11:38 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 26, '04 From St. Cloud, Minnesota Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
I don't know how Si and GSR got in this but I'm sure that a 6gc GT cannot beat them. As for me racing the EX its probably just a shifting problem. I launched at 3.5-4RPM the tires spin and I got him off the line regain traction at end of first then shift to 2nd at 5.5RPM. Same shift at 5.5 RPM through the gears.\
Our cars redline at around 6.5 right? So is it ok to go maybe to 6 or a little bit over? This post has been edited by hs2g: Sep 18, 2004 - 11:39 PM |
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Sep 19, 2004 - 12:06 AM
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 Enthusiast Joined Dec 27, '03 From Nor Cal Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
I don't think it'll be as easy as everyone here thinks. The EX Civics redline at 7k with fuel cut at 7200 I believe. The Celica GT fuel cuts at 6400 or so... so essentially, the Civic can pull for almost a full 1000 rpms longer and maintain his max torque that much longer, while you can only maintain till the peak (at 4500 rpms) then it'll drop off BIG TIME (~40 ft lbs) to redline. That's where the numbers game gets tricky... and simple numbers alone doesn't mean anything as far as some Hondas are concerned...
Anyways... I've beaten my cousin's former 95 Civic EX coupe by about a fender back when I was still tuning. After we tuned his car up some more (turns out his timing was negative a tooth) he was able to put a fender on me... and more than likely, I was a lot faster than you are. This post has been edited by Kwanza26: Sep 19, 2004 - 12:09 AM -------------------- "It's ok to be naked girl... I'm an artist!"
1995 AT200 Celica ST: stocked out daily driver... 1984 AE86 Corolla GT-SR5: silvertop 20V 4AGE project car jacked up with goodies... 1991 SW2x MR2 n/a: bare bones hardtop model soon to be... |
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Sep 19, 2004 - 12:25 AM
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 Enthusiast Joined Oct 22, '02 From Toronto Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
^ Just because our car redlines at a lower rpm dosen't mean anything
Its jsut ebcause we have more stroke and less bore which is unusual for japanese cars, that gives the gt the 145lbs/ft torque, which is decent i will admit but about the torque band, i guess your right because i have no idea how big it is on our cars, i agree, it does seem to drop off substantialy near redline --------------------  |
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Sep 19, 2004 - 12:36 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Dec 27, '03 From Nor Cal Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
It literally means everything in this case... The 5SFE will have no serious pulling power after the torque drop off till redline, which is roughly 4500-4800 rpms all the way till redline which is ~6400 rpms. That whole time, the Civic will be at its MAX torque peak and will not drop off its torque band till almost 7000 rpms... That's why he wins off the line (we almost always do) and that's why he gets pulled in the end. It's in the power delivery and the gearing... I've explained this better in the ST-T vs RSX-S topic so look if you don't believe me. That's just the way the power band and torque/HP relationship works... RPM means a whole whole lot. As for the the oversquared design (stroke > bore)... I've covered that a bunch of times before also and don't feel much like repeating... This post has been edited by Kwanza26: Sep 19, 2004 - 12:36 AM -------------------- "It's ok to be naked girl... I'm an artist!"
1995 AT200 Celica ST: stocked out daily driver... 1984 AE86 Corolla GT-SR5: silvertop 20V 4AGE project car jacked up with goodies... 1991 SW2x MR2 n/a: bare bones hardtop model soon to be... |
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Sep 19, 2004 - 12:48 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Oct 22, '02 From Toronto Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
I never disagreed with you really, all i ment was that torque band is far more important than redline.. the viper for instance redlines at like 5500 rpm or 6000.. someting of that nature, but it has a massive torque band.. i know that the civic has a good torque band in the higher rpms, but all i was saying is that its not really the redline that matters as much as the torque band and for how long a vehicle can sustain max torque...
but i generally agree, it does suck that our cars trail off after 4500rpms... i guess thats why so many ppl are goin boosted.. -------------------- |
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Sep 19, 2004 - 9:05 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Sep 17, '03 From lakewood, ca Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
97sccelica and Kwanza...c'mon now how are you guys gonna talk when you both have a st celica. the st is what 115 hp compared to the gt which is 140 hp stock. you can have your little intake, headers and exhaust and probably still don't meet up with the gt celica's stock hp. c'mon now if you guys think the Civic Ex can take us then you guys are freakin wieird. i don't know about you two but i for one will never lose to a stock Civic EX turbo or no turbo.
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Sep 19, 2004 - 10:20 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Dec 27, '03 From Nor Cal Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Hahah... Things we say are learned from experience. Unless you got some to back up your statements (you haven't shown any yet)... please keep this to yourself. Just so you know, we've discussed topics like this time and time again, all with the relative same conclusion... Just go back and re-read my little explaination of why he lost. 97sccelica and I are two of the very few to have squeezed the most potential out of our vehicles (myself n/a and him turbo), unlike others who slap on intakes and exhausts and call it good, then wonder why they lose to something with much less torque, we've tuned and tried all sorts of stuff before calling it quites (he had turbo problems, I needed a daily driver). Again I'll say, torque numbers alone doesn't mean anything. It's where the torque is located in the rpm band is where it is most utilized in a race situation. Horsepower is the measurement of that, but it all ties in with the overall revving and torque band. Also, don't compare your GT to our cars (or our former builds). We are all classed differently, but I'll tell you now... I've yet to see a USDM n/a GT 6th gen Celica run a 1/4 faster time than mine... And if you don't think you can lose to a Civic EX... we got one in progress at our shop you'll probably lose to (car ran 14.4 on stock tires with bolt-ons). Soon as we get the ITB's tuned and finish up on the head, it'll be a screamer... -------------------- "It's ok to be naked girl... I'm an artist!"
1995 AT200 Celica ST: stocked out daily driver... 1984 AE86 Corolla GT-SR5: silvertop 20V 4AGE project car jacked up with goodies... 1991 SW2x MR2 n/a: bare bones hardtop model soon to be... |
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Sep 20, 2004 - 2:37 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 30, '02 From Anaheim, CA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
i roasted a GT horribly with my AUTOMATIC st. i have posted the story a couple of times, try searching for "dont judge a car by its badging" i can show you the pictures of my old turbo setup if you wish and my ST was the model with only 105hp when stock my downfall was the fuel pump, i was stupid not to change it and when it died, it weakened the #2 piston, which then failed a few weeks later after repeated power braking to launch at full boost and accelerate till the speed limiter, i think i did it 5 times the night the piston melted that car was amazing, i put all the parts together myself, after reading up for 11 months and took my time to get it all installed over 3 weekends, having the car running in between the weekends. it made great power all the way till redline, and the torque band was greatly expanded. couple that with the longer gearing of an auto tranny and the spike in boost during a shift, it made for one hell of a sleeper. i have just now brought my WRX(yes, i drive a wrx now, my sister drive the ST) to the same acceleration from a roll that my ST had. i will do another ST-T on my sisters car, as soon as she gets a new car, i dont want her to have a fast car. thats how satisfied i was with the setup. the only reason i did not stick with the ST-T was that my sister was going to start driving soon and my dad wanted the celica to be my sister's car while i got a DSM or mk3 supra, however, things changed and a got a used 04 wrx. next time around i will do it cheaper, make it faster, and make it last for years, at the end of which, i will have several turbo goodies that could be used with a 3sgte swap(timing control, boost control, fuel controll, all gauges) and oh yeah, torque is definately not everything, its just what you feel in first gear, believe it or not i read this in super chevy magazine i think, or one of those muscle car mags i think the quote was, "shift at your peak torque and see how quickly that gets you down the strip" This post has been edited by 97sccelica: Sep 20, 2004 - 2:42 AM -------------------- 1994 Celica GT4 WRC Edition
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Sep 20, 2004 - 3:54 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Sep 13, '04 From U.A.E dubai Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
you guys probably wont believe this ..
i raced a toyota mark 2 twin turbo 2.5 auto ......... off the line but only till about the first gear .... and now im a legend in my area !! may be his car was in bad shape or somthing !!!!!! and also i raced a toyota scalet gt turbo .. till third gear ... then he gets ahead ..and then im ahead when i hit fourth ,.... may be his scarlet was in bad shape too .. and everybody im my area thinks i have modifyed my car to the limit !! |
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Sep 20, 2004 - 12:05 PM
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Enthusiast Joined May 5, '04 From Cary, NC Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Hmm EX does have Vtec. 
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Sep 20, 2004 - 12:18 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Aug 30, '02 From Michigan Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
if you read further i corrected myself
--------------------  Believer, you'll leave her, in leaving them all No but I don't buy it Like anything you do, as anyone you are Cause I'm... Ten Speed, of God's Blood & Burial |
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Sep 20, 2004 - 12:24 PM
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Enthusiast Joined May 5, '04 From Cary, NC Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
LOL my bad i only read the first page hehe....
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Sep 25, 2004 - 6:30 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Jun 29, '03 From canoga park , ca Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
hahahah vtec sucks my rear.. anyway if you take out everything in your car i mean everything. except your seat you will lose about 150-200 pounds. which gives you about 2 hp (rakes care of vtec) but dont street race. road race its what are cars are meant for. anyway enjoy.... vtec sucks trust me its mind over matter
.just to let you know my st (96) spanked a vtec 98 civic at track 2 runs in a row. and a integra at the track. and 4 times on the street vtec is overrated. |
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Sep 25, 2004 - 9:37 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Dec 27, '03 From Nor Cal Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Hahahaha.... idiot...  Not a great way to make a first impression. Reviving a post that was beaten to death and finished. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion... but when you don't know what you're talking about... it's just plain ole ignorance... -------------------- "It's ok to be naked girl... I'm an artist!"
1995 AT200 Celica ST: stocked out daily driver... 1984 AE86 Corolla GT-SR5: silvertop 20V 4AGE project car jacked up with goodies... 1991 SW2x MR2 n/a: bare bones hardtop model soon to be... |
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Sep 25, 2004 - 11:00 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined May 18, '04 From Charlotte, NC Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
To whoever started this post, our cars will beet any civic stock v stock, execpt for the si's(at least this has been my experience). So no offence but it's prolly just your driving ability. After only two months, i wouldn't think you would be a great driver. Also, if this is one of your first races, one day u will look back and realize how bad u sucked, i do it all the time now. So just keep at it, u will get better
. Also remember our cars max hp/trq is at 5600, so u want to shift right after that, right about 6, no later.
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Sep 25, 2004 - 11:10 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Sep 17, '03 From lakewood, ca Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
you see i'm not the only one to say that our stock gts can beat the civic stock. |
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Sep 25, 2004 - 11:17 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Jul 10, '03 From Appleton,WI Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
yea you're not the only one..but...why would u poke fun at kwanza's ST?...u don't know him very well do you?
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Sep 25, 2004 - 11:25 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Dec 27, '03 From Nor Cal Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
It's coo my hmoob brotha. Some people just speak out of their asses. For the record... talk is cheap. Show me your timeslips and if your n/a GT's can top my little ole weak ST... then you can move on to facing the all so "deadly" SOHC Vtec Civics... 
-------------------- "It's ok to be naked girl... I'm an artist!"
1995 AT200 Celica ST: stocked out daily driver... 1984 AE86 Corolla GT-SR5: silvertop 20V 4AGE project car jacked up with goodies... 1991 SW2x MR2 n/a: bare bones hardtop model soon to be... |
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Sep 26, 2004 - 12:03 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 19, '04 From Berkeley Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
were you in the left or right lane?
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