jdm SIDEMIRROR wiring INFO, attention NEVERSTOP, CTCAT2049 Options

[BloodyStupidDave...]

I've replaced jdmisme's numbers with the actual pin numbering.

RELAY WIRES (looking at it from the back where the wires go INTO the unit with the locking nipple UP).

5 - Retractor reverse, left (RL) - BLUE-- to blue wire on Left Mirror
4 - Retractor limt sense forward, left (LFL) - YELLOW--to yellow on Left Mirror
(nipple)
3 - +B - BLUE/YELLOW-- +12V acc 'ON'
2 - Retractor limit sense reverse, right (LRR) - BLUE/RED-- blue/red on Right Mirror
1 - Retractor forward, right (FR) - RED/YELLOW-- red/yellow on Right Mirror
12 - Retractor reverse, right (RR) - BLUE/WHITE(white)-- blue/white on Right Mirror
11 - Retractor limit sense forward, right (LFR) - GREEN/YELLOW-- green/yellow on Right Mirror
10 - retractor switch (S) - PINK-- pink on switch
9 - GND - WHITE(white)/BLACK-- ground
8 - not connected (possibly auto retract function?)
7 - Retractor limit sense reverse, left (LRL) - BROWN-- brown on Left Mirror
6 - Retractor forward, left (FL) - GREEN-- green on Left Mirror


This is from the circuit board of the integration relay itself. R and F go to the motor, LF and and LR go to the sensor (the switch inside the mirror itself). I don't believe the motor should be driven directly but rather via the limit sensors so the motur turns off when it reaches the end of its throw.

Two other notes: The lime wire with red stripe from the adjuster switch goes to both mirrors. Also, my integration relay has a slightly different number to the other one posted in this thread (it is one digit different): 87989-20060.

This post has been edited by BloodyStupidDavey: Dec 31, 2006 - 7:57 PM

[DeW_H0e_GT]

ok.....add me to the list of confusion...so, do i NEED the relay for the mirrors to work?....whered u guys mount the relays if u used them....?

ive checked this out:

http://www.yellowsun.plus.com/how2/retractmirror.html

and it didnt say nething about the relay at all.......fyi - i have the pink wire from the relay...so???.....any1 mind helping a guy out?.....

This post has been edited by DeW_H0e_GT: Feb 7, 2007 - 6:19 PM

[urbandork]

from what ive read and done if u have the pink wire you need the mirrors, switch and control module. If you dont have the pink wire coming out of the switch on the door pannel the switch itself works as the control module, and thus all u need are the mirrors and switch.

From some research i have deduced that toyota produced two set ups, the earlier model had the control box along with the pink wire and the later model did not have the pink wire.

if you need the conrol box i have one.

also note that it seems toyota may have had two different conrol modules for the pink wire/ealier type. one for the celica and one for the curren. both the celica and curren control module have the same wires but what pin position they are in differs slightly. Also while the boxes look identical down to the mounting brakets used the color of the plastics used are different. The celica box is black where as the curren one is an cloudy clear.

i found this out because the set of jdm folding mirrors i bought where the non pink wire/later version and thus did not need a control module. however the seller had read about a box being needed and thus included one just in case. since the car he pulled the mirrors and switch from was a later version and had no conrol box he instead just got one from a earlier model curren. Thus is the reason why i had a mirrors set that did not need the control module and have an extra conrol module from a curren. (note i was told by the seller he pulled them from a curren)

This post has been edited by urbandork: Feb 7, 2007 - 6:53 PM

[DeW_H0e_GT]

^^^therefore i have currens mirrors....have the clear relay box....i already try to "soft" wire it..everything seems to go in place, all teh wires match referring to the posts jdmisme posted.....so i dont need to splice at all if i need the relays...as long as i dont touch the OEM stuff, right?..all i need to do is connect wires, mount relay, wire up ground n 12v...right?.....im gettin the idea, but jus need some insight on u jdm mirror guys....

[urbandork]

^^^therefore i have currens mirrors....have the clear relay box....i already try to "soft" wire it..everything seems to go in place, all teh wires match referring to the posts jdmisme posted.....so i dont need to splice at all if i need the relays...as long as i dont touch the OEM stuff, right?..all i need to do is connect wires, mount relay, wire up ground n 12v...right?.....im gettin the idea, but jus need some insight on u jdm mirror guys....

im not sure but i think if u connect all the wires like BloodyStupidDavey post has it and then run power u should be good.

im not positive cus i didnt have to worry aobut a control module

[azian_advanced]

actually, the curren and the celica relay boxes are the same. they should both be clear-ish white (translucent white), according to my EPC. i finished mine during the holidays and works flawlessly. urbandork is otherwise correct, if you have the pink wire, that connects to the relay box, so a relay box is needed. i mounted my relay box just beneath the steering column and ziptied it tight.

urbandork, do you still have that relay box? i'll take it from you. i'm on my 2nd set of jdm mirrors since the 1st set included a malfunctioning relay.

DeW_H0e_GT, you're also correct. as long as the wires from the mirror harness matches the relay control box, everything is fine and should work okay. but remember the mirror will not adjust far enough to see from your driver seat so you'll probably want to put small 6mm washers on one side of the mirror motor to angle it more. also, the mirror angle adjuster wires would be the opposite on the control switch (ie. RHD wires are opposite to LHD) but i'm sure you'll figure that out.

basically all this confusion is due to the male connector not being included for the mirrors and also, different control boxes are being sent out instead of the white-ish clear one. the black one listed a few pages back is for the ST185 which uses different color wires.

[DeW_H0e_GT]

now that clears up alot!!!!!.....thanks azn!!!

my current setup..will install everything tomorrow.....

[azian_advanced]

good luck with the install.. let us know if you run into any problems..
just, fyi, if you're looking for a power source to splice the blue w\ yellow wire on the relay box, you'll find the exact same wire in your driver's kick panel which also outputs 10A.

[DeW_H0e_GT]

ok got everything all wired up....everything works BUT it doesnt fold in!!!!.......help plz?.....bloody says soemthin about wiring the motor inside the mirrors?...how u do that?

[azian_advanced]

there shouldn't be any need to wire the motors if you connected the matching wires on the mirror to the relay. (as posted above by bloody)
also:
-recheck all power and ground connections. i remember connecting the ground on the relay in parallel to the ground on the control switch. try that.
-test if the pink wire from the switch is sending a + signal.
-assuming the wiring is correctly done, do you hear the relay click after pressing the retract button? if not, perhaps you have a problem with the relay? (i had that but didn't know it after hours and hours of troubleshooting)



otherwise, you can test the mirrors yourself using a 12V source



connect the 12V source to the Yellow wire and GND to the Green wire
then switch the 12V source to the Brown wire and GND to the Blue wire

you can do the same to the other mirror and see if they open and close correctly



This post has been edited by azian_advanced: Feb 11, 2007 - 7:12 AM

[BloodyStupidDave...]

ok got everything all wired up....everything works BUT it doesnt fold in!!!!.......help plz?.....bloody says soemthin about wiring the motor inside the mirrors?...how u do that?

Don't worry about the comment about wiring the motors - that is only for those that don't have the relay box and want to fashion their own relay box. You say it doesn't fold in. If you manually fold them in, will the little switch unfold them? If so, you have a sticky or damaged internal relay inside that little white box.

If they neither fold nor unfold then check that the little white relay box is getting +12v on the blue/yellow wire when your engine is running (or at least when the key is in the ACC position). Also check that you have good continunity between the white/black wire on the relay box and the bodywork. An electricans' multimeter will come in handy here.

If you suspect that one of the interal relays is sticking or damaged, an electronics hobbyist or your local TV repair shop will likely be able to repair the circuit board for you for a small fee. If you are lucky enough to have a good scrapyard nearby, you can probably pick one up from there for less. Most of the Japanese import Celicas have power folding mirrors so just take a few tools with you so you can remove it yourself.

This post has been edited by BloodyStupidDavey: Feb 11, 2007 - 7:15 AM

[DeW_H0e_GT]

turns out i have a bad relay...because it doesnt click when i push the retract button....any part #s for teh relay?....ill try to have it fixed by some tv repair center....theres this number at the mirrro control relay...ive tried toyots world but it says no match found??

87989-20060

This post has been edited by DeW_H0e_GT: Feb 11, 2007 - 12:40 PM

[BloodyStupidDave...]

87989-20060

Try also 87989-20030. That is the earlier part number that others here have. I believe (but am not sure) it is usually black in colour. There is a possibility that the pin numbers are slightly different so best to acquire it with a short length of wiring loom if possible.

[DeW_H0e_GT]

^^^ that number doesnt work either...i tried those numbers with toyotaworld.......exact link:

http://www.trademotion.com/partlocator/ind...amp;catalogid=0

is there other toyota parts dealer u guys went with?

[azian_advanced]

you can use either the 20060 or 20030 relay, both use the same wires for the mirrors but they're just located at different pins on the harness so the harness will have to match with the relay you get. so try to get the 20060 relay that you have already.

try PMing our european and asian members and see if they're willing to order it for you. last i heard it costs around $60+ or something.

[95silvergt]

question guys real quick say i got the stock jdm 5gen mirrors do u think they are worth throwing on ur 6gen and yes they retract and all i was just wonderin i was looking for something different but reading all this has me like is it all worth it just looking for some advice on it. and if u guys are really interested in the side mirrors i can get them wit no problem here in japan.

[azian_advanced]

the 5th gen jdm mirrors bolt on no problem and their wires are pretty much the same as the 6th gens.. so if you like the styling of the 5th gen over the 6th mirrors, you may as well go with the 5th gens.

wiring is actually very straight forward, just match them up with the wires on the relay, mirrors, and control switch.. the problem (as i see it) usually lies with the relays being dead or what not, i'm not sure why..
(i'm now on my 3rd relay btw)

[DeW_H0e_GT]

a lil kinda off topic (sorry guys)...will u be able to get yoru hands on some relay for the 6gc mirrors?...

part #s:

87989-20030
87989-20060

[azian_advanced]

PM urbandork, he says he's got an extra mirror control box.

[95silvergt]

ok so its pretty easy so what all do u need to make this work i know the side mirrors and the controller where u push left right and all that what else do i need???? sorry i dont know to much about theses mirrors and stuff