 got the 5SFTE put on a DYNO, heres the results. actual number finally |
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itchy b is my hero - great job
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Nov 7, 2004 - 10:40 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 14, '04 From Toledo, Ohio Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
yeah but with the swap...you are getting a LOT more possibilities as far as mods go...the STOCK 3s puts down that much...think of when you build it up as much as he has built his 5s so far. |
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Nov 7, 2004 - 11:08 AM
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 Enthusiast Joined Aug 20, '03 From Annapolis, Md Currently Offline Reputation: 5 (100%) |
It dosnt look like he built it up at all.. he just slaped on a turbo an the components along with it. But also the 3s is getting that power only at what 8pse compared to 13.. when you boost up the 3s its going to be more, also keep in mind the 3s has better internals so its a hella lot safer to run boosted.. where his might crap out 10 k down the road.
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Nov 7, 2004 - 11:17 AM
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 Enthusiast Joined Aug 31, '02 From Philadelphia, PA Currently Offline Reputation: 8 (100%) |
here is the thing...the 5sfe is a higher compression 2.2l motor. in theory it should be faster at the same boost levels then the 3sgte swap.
but the bad thing about the 5sfTe is that on one reallly knows how long the motor will last. so you make this big investment that will proably fail sooner or later. on a 3sgte with the stock ct26 turbo, the mr2 guys have been running 15psi, all day, everyday...for years. theere are 3sgtes with close to 200,000mile on them, still boosting. then there are turbo upgrades and fuel upgrades that will gain you even more power. the mr2 guy think the hp limit of the 3sgte is around 700hp! there is on 6th gen ive seen that puts down 400hp. so, as you can see the 3sgte is a better option. for itchyb, i recomend turning down the boost to a nice 7-8 psi. thats about the most stress you would want to put on a stock motor. -------------------- 15PSI - 30MPG - Megasquirt Tuned
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Nov 7, 2004 - 11:27 AM
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 Enthusiast Joined Nov 12, '02 From Webster Ma. Currently Offline Reputation: 1 (100%) |
my 5sfte isnt built at all. ur right. once it is spending the difference between the cost of swapping a turboing on interrnals ill have sumthing alittle stronger than a 3sgte. stroked... and its holding up fine. i chekc everyhting day in a day out. pull the plugs look down to the cylinders check for marks.
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Nov 7, 2004 - 11:44 AM
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 Enthusiast Joined Dec 25, '02 From Pittsburgh/Clairton, PA Currently Offline Reputation: 1 (100%) |
he's passing the time till he can swap, with what he calls the poor mans boost
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Nov 7, 2004 - 11:44 AM
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 Enthusiast Joined Aug 19, '03 From Buffalo,NY Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
pretty decent number's.
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Nov 7, 2004 - 3:12 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Nov 4, '02 From Davenport Iowa Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
um... dude... the 5s and 3s are almost identical block wise.. just the top end is different granted and the 5s internals arn't quite as strong as the 3s. But internals aren't that much to upgrade either. basically once you redo internals you get a 3sgte stoker kit for free  as for compression... there not that far off 3sgte - 8.5:1 5sfe - 9.5:1 I could see a 11:1 ratio putting WAY more power down per lb of boost than a 8.5 or 9.5 motor but not gonna see all that much difference between the 3s and 5s only slightly more and as for all those turbo and fuel upgrades.... um yea... they work on the 5s also and how can you say that just because the 3s has putt down 400+ its a better engine?? LOL the 5sfte is still kind new compared to the 3s.. there is NO one that has meet the full potiental of the 5sfte yet... granted some people have had probs with it.. but how many people blow 3s's every month that you never really hear about? believe me lagos.. I used to feel the same way bout the 3s swap since I had a swapped 6gc since before most people here even owned there celicas.. but I have been seriously researching the 5sfte for a few months now for the 99 and the more I look into it the more appealing it is and the more it seems like the better route.. I should have the whole project installed with in a month or so and I'll let you guys know what I think of the differences between the 3s swap and the 5sfte. -Only think I will prolly miss is the TVIS  itchy?? how long has the 5sfte been runnin strong for you? BTW good job man  --------------------  99 project version 3.0.. hello SEMA 2010 =) |
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Nov 7, 2004 - 3:41 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Aug 27, '04 From Orange County, CA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Nice numbers indeed.
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Nov 7, 2004 - 5:15 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 31, '02 From Philadelphia, PA Currently Offline Reputation: 8 (100%) |
NEVERSTOP, what happened to your swap, why dont you have it anymore?
i could never see anyone on here with a 3sgte, install it, take it out and decide a 5sfTe was a better way to go. any motor can be great if you throw enough money at it. everyone has their setups and what route they decided to go with their cars. the way i see it is that you can spend all this money into your 5sfe and make it amazing, but the whole process will be this huge experiment of will it live or will it die, as long as the owner accepts that and isint afraid of pulling out a 5s and putting in a new one, then its all good. with the 3sgte, you are getting a motor that was built for boost. everythihng from the pistons to the ecu is factory made to take boost day in and day out. seeing as how you can buy a clip for 1,500-2,500, thats a good deal right there. -------------------- 15PSI - 30MPG - Megasquirt Tuned
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Nov 7, 2004 - 5:55 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Dec 26, '02 From Alabama Currently Offline Reputation: 2 (100%) |
wow, that's really great man. I am actually surprised though. the 7a with 8lbs puts down about 170whp, or that was my impression... Granted, it can't touch that torque though.
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Nov 7, 2004 - 6:24 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Nov 4, '02 From Davenport Iowa Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
LOL wow man.. where have you been the last two years
Two different celicas
diffently true... but average swap done right is gonna run 4-5k+ Nicely built 5sfte project 3-4k Its all about HP per $ and the 5sfte seems the better way to go IMO... well find out soon
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Nov 7, 2004 - 7:00 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Dec 2, '02 From Portland, Oregon Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
I'm interested to know too. Where is it?
The HP/$ factor starts to dramatically increase as you start adding more power. Adding more (reliable) power to the 5sfte will start to cost incredible amounts of money. It all depends on your goal I guess... if you want to stay around the 200hp level then you're right... the 5s is probably better... but any higher and this HP/$ ratio you talk about will suddenly flip in the 3s's favor. This post has been edited by Doge: Nov 7, 2004 - 7:02 PM |
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Nov 7, 2004 - 7:25 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Dec 25, '02 From Pittsburgh/Clairton, PA Currently Offline Reputation: 1 (100%) |
9.5:1 i thought it was 10.5:1 once again, i guess you can't go off of information from other websites.
anyways, an engine isn't an engine if it isn't reliable. and what is this i hear about the cams then they're supposedly at 22.3 degrees, and i use to be under the impression that that was their angle from the valves perp. if it's their lift, then once again, the SAME site has me believing what is wrong. what ever happened to Webcams? their price was going up last i saw This post has been edited by Consynx: Nov 7, 2004 - 7:27 PM -------------------- |
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Nov 7, 2004 - 8:44 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 22, '04 From kitchener,Ontario Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
If you get a piggy back it will do alot more than what you can do right now.Your ecu wont let your car do what u want it to because of maps and other stuff.If you really want to go hard core do what I did and get a AEM wide band o2 and tune it in to the T.
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Nov 7, 2004 - 9:10 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Dec 27, '03 From Nor Cal Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Good stuff. Excellent numbers... what I'd expect from a well tuned 5SFTE at 13 psi. As for those who are arguing... you've yet to express any real indication that you really know what you're arguing about (you might know a bit... but you've yet to hit the nail on the head)... so I'm not gonna say nothing to you guys. All I'll say is... compression is pretty mild so that's not a huge threat so long as you don't take shortcuts. The reason the 5S can make that sort of power boosted is because of the OVERALL design. Apply those big torque numbers from forced induction to the HP equation and you'll get big HP numbers also. There's more... so until you ask... I'll let the other guys try to figure it out... ;]
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Nov 7, 2004 - 9:24 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Feb 25, '04 From Wisconsin Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
I just read Itchy's last post on the first page
Just cause I think I know what I'm talking about - and I'm sure Kwanza will burn the hell out of me if I dont ...I believe you have to have a twin entry manifold to accept the twin entry turbo. And vice versa. If you have a single entry supra turbo now and you get a mr2 twin - then I believe you have to do something about that manifold. Flame away if I'm wrong. -Ti God I suck at spelling This post has been edited by turboinduction: Nov 7, 2004 - 9:25 PM |
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Nov 7, 2004 - 9:29 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Nov 12, '02 From Webster Ma. Currently Offline Reputation: 1 (100%) |
u guys i have plans for the 5sfte. i want to push it to its limits. im doing supra valves 1mm oversized. with shimless s2000 retainers, an supra valve springs. web cams (once i find extra 5sfe cams to send out) . piston and rods. larger injectors a better igniti0n system and a nitrous 35 spool shot. if i can find a cheap T3 id get one. its a work in progres for me and always has. eventually do stand alone ecu. its all what i can save from working at a grocery store and doing the labor myself. im only 18
i know ibwilsons 5sfte is gunna be amazing i can wait to see that complete. ok heres the deal about manifolds. yes and no. i had a twin entry going into my single turbo BUT before i put it on i ground out the devider and making a nice swirl for the swirl to travel. but to use that new twin entry turob im getting ill either find a new manifold. or weld in a devider were i took it out. This post has been edited by x_itchy_b_x: Nov 7, 2004 - 9:36 PM -------------------- |
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Nov 7, 2004 - 9:32 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Dec 27, '03 From Nor Cal Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Itchy... my reccomendation is to not worry about or spend any money on the head until you build the bottomend. The stock head has fair potential with boost... -------------------- "It's ok to be naked girl... I'm an artist!"
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Nov 7, 2004 - 9:58 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Apr 22, '04 From illinois Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
This is muscle car knowledge coming out, try to find cams that have sat in a junkyard and have "rust" all over it. They'll be much much harder than a normally clean cam. my .02 cents
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