Supercharger?, anyone? Options

[lagos]

it would be nice to have a cheap diy SC kit for the celica.

but the ripp kit is still a very nice one because of all the reasearch and tuning that went into it. too bad it costs as much as what u can do a swap for.

[BoostedRebel]

what do you guys think about the M90 superchargers that come off of the 3.8ltr GM engines?  A little too large for a small 4cylinder to spin?  I wonder... those things are hella cheap off of E-bay.
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Way too big of a unit! The m45 is designed by eaton to flow well on a 2.0L-3.0L motor. Even the m62 is too big, designed for 2.5L-4.0L motors. The m90 is for 3.0L-5.0L motors! I have seen these units used for Mazda 2.5L motors and they were OVERKILL. They made power, but were just way oversized. These are also HUGE units. Heavy, hard to turn, and flow insane amounts in relation to the m45. It's like putting a t72 turbo on a Celica. It can be done, people put then on hondas, but those hondas are fully built and designed to HANDLE the 30psi+ and 650hp+.

[BoostedRebel]

sounds intresting.. a complete kit... just would like to know more about whats going to be used for the fuel control.... and how would the SC reach to a diffrenet settings on a stand alone unit..
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Hey, fuel control is initially going to be up to the customer. The first kit developed will be simply mounts/driveshaft/supercharger being optional to the customer/pipes. After this I will be sourcing suppliers for the sequential blowoff valves, FMU and other parts.

What do you mean about the SC reaching settings on a stand alone? You just tune the standalone to the supercharger. Does the Celica have a MAP sensor? (I am not too familiar with the celicas which is why I am working along side with Ian as he is supplying me with the technical information about the vehicle itself) If so every standalone ecu ever created will tune off a MAP sensor. If you don't have one stock, then they run around $50 new and can be put into any vacuum line and hooked to a standalone.

For some information on my previous automotive projects, see my website: http://www.squirrelsw.com/finishline (be sure to see the Project cars section)

[Mr_E]

sorry buddy. No pics of the 3S-GZE I'm afraid.

[spunky393]

sorry buddy. No pics of the 3S-GZE I'm afraid.
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Oh well....

[spunky393]

Personally, i think your supercharger thing is going to fail. You don't seem to know enough, and not nothing enough is a HUGE problem when it comes to selling a product. Clean your act up a little, no...a lot, and then the 6gc community might be more easily interested.

[BoostedRebel]

Personally, i think your supercharger thing is going to fail.  You don't seem to know enough, and not nothing enough is a HUGE problem when it comes to selling a product.  Clean your act up a little, no...a lot, and then the 6gc community might be more easily interested.
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Are you kidding me? I have been tuning F/I cars for years, I have built and owned 2 supercharged and 2 turbocharged cars (all were boosted by myself). If you are going to belittle my ideas or myself, you better have some good reasons to back it up or just shut your mouth, sit back in that computer chair of yours and continue to be an assuming idiot TO YOURSELF. I didn't come on here to deal with people like you which is why I stopped surfing forums over a year ago. I only came on here and had my friend do the same to guage the interest of the community and hopefully develop a quality and cost efficient product for the Celicas. From what I have learned about the Celica community thus far is good aftermarket parts are scarce. And the few available are overpriced.

Instead of telling me I don't know enough. Point out what you think I don't know and teach me. (since you must know sooooo much to be able to tell that I don't know enough based off reading a couple posts of mine) Instead of trying to start a flame thread.

This post has been edited by BoostedRebel: Nov 20, 2004 - 1:25 AM

[wind]

zing!

[spunky393]

What the heck are you talking about dude. You havn't provided any information at all. No one has heard of you before, and basically, the real problem is, if you wanted me to pass on information about your supercharger just this instance, i would feel so dumb, dumb to the point of drulling. You are playing grab ass with us. You came on our forums, not the other way around, so F*U*C*K off

[orvillescelica]

hey spunky, settle down. Let him develop the kit, show it to us, and we can judge from there. Let the product speak for him.

BoostedRebel, if you need some info, ask some specific questions and im sure there will be someone that will be more than happy to answer it. As for the MAP sensor question, the 5sfe does has a MAP sensor. But for forced induction applications, most people replace the stock one with a 2 bar MAP from an MR2.

[BoostedRebel]

What the heck are you talking about dude.  You havn't provided any information at all.  No one has heard of you before, and basically, the real problem is, if you wanted me to pass on information about your supercharger just this instance, i would feel so dumb, dumb to the point of drulling.  You are playing grab ass with us.  You came on our forums, not the other way around, so F*U*C*K off
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Do you act this way to everybody who tries to develop aftermarket for your car?

[Doge]

From the little that I have seen this guy knows what he is talking about. Being able to custom fab parts to make a supercharger kit isnt something anyone can do. Keep talking boosted... I'm not a potential buyer but I'm interested.

How are supporting fuel mods going to go with this kit? Bigger injectors of course... FPR? Bigger pump?

[wind]

dont be so negative spunky.... calm down and wait to see what happens... this isnt something to get so worked up about

if it fails then it fails, until then wait to see what happens or you will be the one being laughed at for making dumb comments

[BoostedRebel]

Are you goign to tell us a story Mr. E, or were you just throwing that out there.  Sound's interesting
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What's to tell. Custom supercharger job on both.

The gentleman concerned has sucessfully supercharged both the 1ZZ and 2ZZ to good effect.

Here's the 140 (1zz)


Link here;
www.celica-club.co.uk -> Modifications
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That is a beautiful and simple kit there. Is that your car? Looks very nice. If the cost of centrif. blowers were not so high I would go this route in a heartbeat.

[Jehuty]

Outstanding idea. Mostly because customers would be allowed to purchase piece by piece. Blowers, ICs, piggybacks are all pretty much universal. Its the fitting and mounting hardware that's usually tricky for the average enthusiast! Keep us updated.

By the way, why would you prefer a centri blower? I was thinking id go with posdis to match the 5S characteristics. Plus I like the thrashy whine they make. =) The Eaton you are planning to use is a positive displacement type, correct?

This post has been edited by Jehuty: Nov 21, 2004 - 2:47 PM

[BoostedRebel]

Outstanding idea. Mostly because customers would be allowed to purchase piece by piece. Blowers, ICs, piggybacks are all pretty much universal. Its the fitting and mounting hardware that's usually tricky for the average enthusiast! Keep us updated.

By the way, why would you prefer a centri blower? I was thinking id go with posdis to match the 5S characteristics. Plus I like the thrashy whine they make. =) The Eaton you are planning to use is a positive displacement type, correct?
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Yes sir. That is my idea. Years ago when building up street cars I was forced to buy kits and prefabbed parts which were expensive and required you to buy EVERYTHING whether you needed it or not. Now that I have a shop full of equipment (TIG/MIG welders, plasma cutters, grinders, every saw and air tool etc...) I can create the stuff I wished others would create long ago. You see eye to eye with me.

I like the centrif. blowers because they are true compressors, they are lighter, smaller, have less parasitic loss and create less heat. Yes, the Eaton is a positive displacement blower. Very similar to a twin screw but is actually a roots blower.

Hey, your from Central Valley? I used to go up there every year to fish Lake Shasta and Lake Trinity. I lived in San Jose, California for almost 20 years before I moved to Texas, then Arizona, then to where I live now in Washington.

This post has been edited by BoostedRebel: Nov 22, 2004 - 12:34 AM

[Mr_E]

www.celica-club.co.uk -> Modifications
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That is a beautiful and simple kit there. Is that your car? Looks very nice. If the cost of centrif. blowers were not so high I would go this route in a heartbeat.
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Nah. I have a turbo.

This belonged to someone else who charged a 1ZZ. Then decided he wanted more power, so swapped the 1ZZ for a 2ZZ, and S/C'd that. Then added nitrous to that, stripped the thing out and turned it into a track car.

It was, all things considered, bloody fast.

Simon has also sucessfully supercharged a 3S-GE. Basically, if you want a quality job, this is the gentleman to talk to.

Not cheap, however. But quality rarely is.

His track celica was sold recently, and he bought a 3000 GTO TT. Which he blew up about 3 days later.

[FallenHero]

LOL, my kind of guy!

www.celica-club.co.uk -> Modifications
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That is a beautiful and simple kit there. Is that your car? Looks very nice. If the cost of centrif. blowers were not so high I would go this route in a heartbeat.
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Nah. I have a turbo.

This belonged to someone else who charged a 1ZZ. Then decided he wanted more power, so swapped the 1ZZ for a 2ZZ, and S/C'd that. Then added nitrous to that, stripped the thing out and turned it into a track car.

It was, all things considered, bloody fast.

Simon has also sucessfully supercharged a 3S-GE. Basically, if you want a quality job, this is the gentleman to talk to.

Not cheap, however. But quality rarely is.

His track celica was sold recently, and he bought a 3000 GTO TT. Which he blew up about 3 days later.
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[Jehuty]

Yeah, I've been here all my life. Good place to be! Some nice roads if you know where to look. =)

I don't own a Celica currently but I'm considering one as a basis for lite tuned daily driver / canyon runner. My main concern with the vehicle is that although I don't think it would take alot more power to balance the chassis, the 5SFE appears pretty much hopeless on paper.

I've already decided that a swap is out of the question. I would prefer to do some NA tuning but it's just doesn't seem to be cost effective on this motor. The next consideration would be to knock together a low pressure turbo system which was looking promising.

Your kit sounds like it might be a good solution though. I realize others here are probably looking for more but I think the car needs another 30-40hp to the ground spread as far over the rev range as possible. The stock torque curve of the 5SFE is actually pretty favorable for bombing ridges, but the chassis is capable in my eyes and could effectivly lay down about 30-50 more hp, imho. Also since I'd be operating at elevated RPMs for substantial periods (15 minutes to an hour at a time) I would feel alot more comfortable running 6 pounds of manifold pressure or less. I plan on finding a lower mileage engine and I'll be keeping stock internals. They don't lok like they're good for much more than that anyhow. I could be wrong.

Not to mention it would bel a hell of alot easier to tune! I think you should hit up some Camry and MR2 sites when this gets further along. Alot of people should be on board. Don't be discouraged by newbs demanding 100 hp gains, either! They probably don't know what to do with the 130 they have! =D

[Mr_E]

The chassis can handle 178bhp, as that's what the rest of the world got as stock.

Beams lump in the SSIII gave 200bhp, but had superstrut suspension as well.