conversion help..., need parts!!! Options

[pimpstarr690]

Im looking for all the needed materials to do the AWD conversion. I know that people will say that it can't be done but I really dont care what they say! So if anyone know's where i can get a rear axle, drive shaft, and rear suspension please let me know...I wanna start this project ASAP!

[Kwanza26]

Well... based on your wording... you're already in over your head...

here is a general parts list:
ST165/185 rear diff (or custom wedge a different IRS diff), suspension parts, possibly rear spindles, backing plates, rotors and calipers. Rear sub-frames and rear drive axles. E154 AWD transaxle, driveshaft, possibly shift linkages, front inner axle shafts (from V6 5 speed camry, MR2 turbo, or Celica alltrac turbo)...
AWD or RWD fuel tank or aftermarket fuel cell.

A good welder, a very good fabricator, and a very good mechanic.

Now here's my beef... since you don't seem to know what's needed... and since no one here has yet to complete an AWD conversion, where's the logic in basically calling everyone else "dumb" in thinking it's not easy to do, and then going ahead and asking these very people for a list of parts?

A project like this is best done with trial and error. If you're looking for a list of parts that "bolt on" and go... it's not gonna happen. You can essentially use any independent rear drivetrain and "make" it work. I gave you a list... but it's very very general.

This post has been edited by Kwanza26: Dec 4, 2004 - 8:01 PM

[pimpstarr690]

Ok, first I wasn't implying that everyone here is dumb, and i know that this isn't gonna be just a bolt on and go project. I've looked into this before but then didn't go through with the plans. This time is a for sure deal and nothing can't be done. It can, just need to take ALOT of time and be very precise. I'm just in the hunt for some parts. That's all that I asked about...but thanks for the "general" list.

[MaskedMan]

I dont understand... when did he call everyone else "dumb". He just asked for the parts he needed. Maybe he is some really rich person that has a unlimited money and he wants to know what he needs becuase he wants to add onto a celica that he already has or something. Or maybe its like he has to do it or the world blows up or something. Its sounds important. Heres my beef... idk, I dont really have any, I just wanted to say that. Anyways. Thats a nice list of parts there, but um if you had all those parts then it would be possible right? Then whats the problem? Just break stuff down and rebuild. Kinda like legos!!! Omg! Thats awsome! But there would be more cutting and welding and moving of things! It sounds like fun. Good luck and everything will go good. It will be like monster garage!!! I think anything is possible if you put your mind to it. So go forth pimpstarr690 and make me proud!

[Kwanza26]

I apologize about the "dumb" issue... but that was just the impression I got. You can't ask for help and at the same time undermind people's opinions on the topic. It's no biggie though. Good luck... prove us all wrong... ;]

[Bigmeanbulldog55]

Could you maybe get an AWD 5th generation Celica and transplant the parts in? I know the two cars are very similar. I also know that it is possible to do an AWD conversion, at least on some other cars. There was a guy would converted a Geo Storm to AWD using an Isuzu Impulse drive train. I just don't think anyone has had the money or if not that, then the guts to try this switch. Shoot, I'm way to poor to even be thinking about it.

[pimpstarr690]

I understand the conversion is gonna be a BIG step but it WILL be done! Just wait. Im still on the hunt for the parts. Hopefully someone will know where I can find one but Im still gonna keep looking.

[FallenHero]

why do you want to do the swap? Are you going to rally race the car? build it for 3-400whp? if not, just do a 3s swap. you will save enough money (by not doing the AWD conversion) to properly set the engine up and make pretty good power.

[thedevilmaycrie]

even though im with the general majority here i say go for it... if you can find a complete subframe for a alltrac celica(st165/85) then you stand a good chance of doing this... however this is alot easier said then done... the part #'s on the frames are the same for the st165/85/202/204/205... so theres a lil helpful info for yeah... but yeah if you can get a COMPLETE subframe then you can do this .... and it has been done before... a contact i have in florida has dont this and done it right.... one thing to make sure of is, make sure the drivetrain is from the same care dont use a st165 rear end and a st185 tranny.... but good luck to you and make sure you document all work done for future reference...

-DMC

[Kwanza26]

one thing to make sure of is, make sure the drivetrain is from the same care dont use a st165 rear end and a st185 tranny....  but good luck to you and make sure you document all work done for future reference...
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Wouldn't really matter actually. You can use the Alltrac AWD tranny and run it to a Supra rear... so long as the driveshaft fits. I highly highly doubt the ST165 or ST185 shafts will fit however... but the key thing is to design it correctly. The trunk pans are very different between the ST205 and the ST202/204 so regardless, there will be a fair amount of cutting and pasting needed to be done. IMO, it would probably be of similar difficulty swapping in an actual Celica rear-end vs. a different MacPhearson IRS set-up. Whatever works...

[pimpstarr690]

I am swapping to the 3SGTE within this month or early next. Once that and along with some other goodies =) Im gonna start the AWD conversion. For the Supra rear axle...which gen are we talking about here. Does anyone out here know where I could contact someone to find these parts? lagos had one but Im not sure if he still has it or what. Because I talked to him awhile back about purchasing it but we just never went through with it.

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96 Celica Convertable

[playr158]

yo if you want then contact one of our european members and have them look into a junkyard for that stuff......or if you want the supra stuff (which i personally think would be to long) find out year and stuff...get into a junk yard in the states and start pokin around...

you have people here from all over the world use them to your advantage if you have the money

[Mr_E]

Lots of luck. The back end of a 205 is very different indeed.

Ian Smith is breaking a ST205 in the UK.

Mail him;
Enquires@toyautocentre.co.uk

[pimpstarr690]

To answer FallenHero's question...I'm doing the engine swap along with some other things to that. Im doing the AWD conversion because nobody has really done it before and on top of that to a convertable. Im still gonna be adding performance parts when I do the 3s swap so really It's not a big deal. Also we are planning to set up for drift/race. When the project starts I'll keep you all posted with picture's and information.
Another thing...The other day I bought the HAYNES manual and it has nothing on the 6th gen. Is there any other manuals that I cant purchase that will cover the 6th gen?

[thedevilmaycrie]

chiltons... its the only one besides straight from toyota...

-DMC

[pimpstarr690]

How much is it typically for a Chilton's?

[thedevilmaycrie]

20 bones usually

-DMC

[DamDirtyApes]

hasent this been covered like 50 times and is under the search option.......

[celicaspeed]

The toyota book is what you are going to need.I have three different one for my swap.

[pimpstarr690]

Sweet I'll have to go pick one of them up this weekend.