Me just thinking at work again Options

[Kwanza26]

Kwanza the megasquirt doesnt do the same as a AEM,Haltec,Wolf. They all have similar qualities but you think that $1000 dollars difference is because they are the same?I highly doubt that.All you guys have to do is research and compare and its there in black and white.
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I never said they were the same. I said it can handle almost all of the things those expensive standalone units can. It can do fuel maps, ignition maps, and so on. Because it's DIY, it has quite some expandability also. Megasquirt has been programmed to do DLI ignition, VVT, live mapping, etc... it's a great system. It's only drawback... it's a DIY system that requires custom building and some ingenuity. That's the ONLY reason why it's much cheaper. It's not quite as cut-paste as the more expensive standalones. The reason Coomer would be looking to go megasquirt, eliminate the AFM. That being done, he can go open ITBs, have full tuneability, data logging, etc. It's not as easy as the more expensive stuff... but it's every bit as capable...

[macavely]

Coomer--- I not sure which standalone i'll go with... it will just come down to what will give me the most options and durablity... but for that i have to do some more homework.. its been a while since i read up on whats out.. so i really don't know whats new out there...


so for the people saying just do 3sgte.. for some people tis not about money..its just simply about what you want .. i know what i want.. I don't want to have more power then they guys have did a swap.. i don't wantto have the fastest car around.. i just want a little more kick to my car.. something i can allso remove in a few hours when i have to go get inspected... and thats just that...

[bufferdan]

okay..i guess i dont know about celica's..i just do all my own work on them..have 2 mr2 turbos and 2 6gc celica's at my house now...i guess i dont know. Just because i dont play on the internet all day and listen to peoples opinions doesnt mean i dont know. You dont know what i know and dont.

[macavely]

okay..i guess i dont know about celica's..i just do all my own work on them..have 2 mr2 turbos and 2 6gc celica's at my house now...i guess i dont know.  Just because i dont play on the internet all day and listen to peoples opinions doesnt mean i dont know.  You dont know what i know and dont.
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your taking this post the worng way... its cool you know a lot about toyotas... but your taking it the worng way... everyone that posted on this.. knows that the 3sgte can do... be a lot of us also know what the 5s.. can do...so next time just please answer the questions asked... we are all here to help each other out... not put each other down...

[bufferdan]

sorry...i know what you mean.

Here is alittle info...kinda outdated probably but it is info
http://www.toyotanation.com/forum/showthread.php?t=25428

[macavely]

sorry...i know what you mean.

Here is alittle info...kinda outdated probably but it is info
http://www.toyotanation.com/forum/showthread.php?t=25428
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its cool is seams we are all on the same page now.. and thanks for the info any little bit helps.... if you have more fourms like that or anyother info please post...

[doGGy]

here goes nothing...

Im already 2 years from now started my project.. Gone long way on every posible info (7A-FTE). Thought about 3S bout 5 times, almost droped my project and almost got ST205 front clip... ya know what stoped me? Money... Cuz with turbo project, you can spend LESS, cuz if i wanted to get st205 front clip i hade to pay 2500$ AT ONCE, and i could pay this money, but after this i had to live like a homless person With the turbo, you can spend way less at one time, basicly if you want you can spend same $ at once, but i ussualy trying to manage my funds that i could live like normal person and at the same build my car... i spend about 150-400$ a month on my turbo project, and still have money left for partys and etc..

3S is a good engine, everyone know this, but not everyone is able to fit it in celi by theyr own hands...

I know that in future if i still have my C i will deff go the 3S route, if my 7A blows up

just my opinion...

[celicaspeed]

Kwanza you said it they are not the same!Coomer you should definately do some more home work!The megasquirt has to be put to gether!Evere made a mother board?Do you think it come with instruction of what goes were?Have you ever sodered thing to a board.IT A B***h!The other top standalones have all this done and they come mapped for your car or you tune them to your mods and so on.Just for fuel the aem has 21 different adjustable setting JUST FOR FUEL!You can eliminate your afm,maf competely because it run it for you.I think if you have the know how and the patience its great.Then I would suggest buying them and build them for other people and make some money.But I doubt that.As for the e manage being better go to school dude.I think you a referring to the first safc.Im talking about the safc2 much better system and easier to use.I think that the piggy back would be more than enough for your car unless you are building a race engine.Im going that route is because I am going to use bigger injecters and eliminate the maf,afm,2bar map sensor and go to 3 bar.The standalone will let me do this.I have friend running with the aem and the megasquirt and they wished they went with the aem because they have reached the potencail limits of the megasquirt and need to change.MORE MONEY!DO IT RIGHT THE FIRST TIME AND NEVER HAVE TO DO IT AGAIN.Do some research and find out more and you will see.

[Kwanza26]

Kwanza you said it they are not the same!Coomer you should definately do some more home work!The megasquirt has to be put to gether!Evere made a mother board?Do you think it come with instruction of what goes were?Have you ever sodered thing to a board.IT A B***h!The other top standalones have all this done and they come mapped for your car or you tune them to your mods and so on.Just for fuel the aem has 21 different adjustable setting JUST FOR FUEL!You can eliminate your afm,maf competely because it run it for you.I think if you have the know how and the patience its great.Then I would suggest buying them and build them for other people and make some money.But I doubt that.As for the e manage being better go to school dude.I think you a referring to the first safc.Im talking about the safc2 much better system and easier to use.I think that the piggy back would be more than enough for your car unless you are building a race engine.Im going that route is because I am going to use bigger injecters and eliminate the maf,afm,2bar map sensor and go to 3 bar.The standalone will let me do this.I have friend running with the aem and the megasquirt and they wished they went with the aem because they have reached the potencail limits of the megasquirt and need to change.MORE MONEY!DO IT RIGHT THE FIRST TIME AND NEVER HAVE TO DO IT AGAIN.Do some research and find out more and you will see.
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What the hell are you talking about? I never once mentioned E manage or SAFC, all I said was Megasquirt is a true standalone and has more than enough potential to justify calling it a standalone unit. You can praise all these other things all you want... Megasquirt IS a standalone and can hang with the expensive toys... You're really getting bent out of shape for nothing...

Here's Some Megasquirt reading for you...

[celicaspeed]

Kwanza I wasnt refering to you when I mentioned the emanage and the safc2.Im sorry if it sounded like I was attacking you or anyone else,that was not my intention. I was talking to Bufferdan.And Im not saying that the megasquirt isnt a standalone.Im saying that the aem,haltec,wolf ,motec is a much better system and it can do more than the megasquirt can and you can fine tune your car alot more than you can with the megasquirt.

This post has been edited by celicaspeed: Dec 1, 2004 - 12:41 PM

[celicaspeed]

Now here is some stuff for you guys that are thinking standalone check this out and do a comparison to see the difference. log on to AEM EMS STANDALONE SYSTEM. take a look and tell me what you guys think.It all depends what a person wants to pay and there goals.

[nik]

Well I’m not saying anything about stand alone but as for the piggy back ecu I well say the the greddy E-manager w/ Profec e-01 is way better than the SAFC 2.

http://www.apexi-usa.com/electronics_safc.asp
http://www.greddy.com/
http://www.mohdparts.com/emanage/

[Coomer]

The Megasquirt really isn't that hard to put together. They have fully detailed instructions on how to mount each component, a dedicated forum to help people out, etc. I recently talked to my friend with a turbocharged fifth gen. Celica ST and he's running Megasquirt and said it wasn't hard to build or setup at all. And it was his first time soldering a board and stuff.

And although there may be some things that it can't do, it's plenty powerful to do what most people want. And it'd be plenty powerful for me...so why would I want to spend an extra $800+ for something like the AEM EMS or something like that?

Celicaspeed, can you list some of the stuff that the standalones you like do that the Megasquirt doesn't do?

Oh, and by the way, I fully agree with Nik on the E-Manage vs. S-AFC II issue. The E-Manage can control things like ignition spark where the S-AFC II cannot.

[celicaspeed]

Its all there for you to research it all depends what you want.In my opinion you know what I think is a better system.But for what you wantperfect and it still is better than the piggy back but for controlling fuel and timing etc the piggy back is all set up and ready to play.Like I said it all depends what the person wants and wants to spend.The e manage is better than the safc2 but it has to be the eo1.Than it come down to price on how much you want to spend. safc2 $250 vs a manage eo1 $450-500.

This post has been edited by celicaspeed: Dec 1, 2004 - 1:03 PM

[nik]

easy to read monitor data logging able to record and can store different maps just to say a few. And if you want to talk about price dont bother i got the Profec e-01 brand new 350 the e-manage used like new 140 w/ ignition/injector harness so total so far 490 i'm about to buy the pressure sensor with harness so i can have a 3 bar.
grand total $600

gotta love ebay

[celicaspeed]

Thats it! Got to love ebay and hope to get the best deal.I love ebay!

[Kwanza26]

Its all there for you to research it all depends what you want.In my opinion you know what I think is a better system.But for what you wantperfect and it still is better than the piggy back but for controlling fuel and timing etc the piggy back is all set up and ready to play.Like I said it all depends what the person wants and wants to spend.
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That's assuming what Coomer wants to do... but that's not all he wants. The main goal would be to eliminate the AFM on his Silvertop 20V... not just fuel control...

As for mac... he's gonna be doing a 5SFTE... which pretty much *requires* fuel control. You gotta assume he wants a bit more adjustability than that... since he's asking the questions here... right?

[celicaspeed]

Kwanza you got a point!

[nik]

Thats it! Got to love ebay and hope to get the best deal.I love ebay!
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you know it

[doGGy]

well, i heard one bad thing about megasquirt from my local tuning boys, who done several cars with megasquirt... there is practily no IDLE or idel is very very routh... and it is not adjustible in a easy way... Dont know about this, but this backed me from megasquirt...

Can someone confirm this?