300+HP 6g Celicas, looking at 6g celicas over the 300+HP Options

[west_minist]

Are there any celica owners out there who have modify there celicas (GTFoursAllTrac or swaps) over the 260HP mark.

I would like to know how it was done, what matter arises and so on.

Also, how does the car feel and behaves with those mods from standard.

If you are a GT owner or a celica owner who looking to go to the 260 mark or just get that extra performance over 160HP, you can also dropped usa line letting us know what your plans are and how are going to go about doing it.

Here are my plan (which are just plans for now). The engine will be prepared for hp about 400HP. Please remember that.


VeilSide Titanium Muffler
Crane Cams HI6 TRC
Maybe Autronics ECU w/Coil Pack OR AEM ECU
Nology Plug Wires
Nology ProFire M80 Coil
HKS Iridium Spark Plugs
HKS GT3037S/T04E/??T04R Turbo??
HKS Header
HKS GT Wastegates
HKS Racing Blowoff Valve Type II
Blitz Intake
HKS Intercooler
720cc Injectors
HKS Fuel System upgrades
TRD FPR (Fuel Pressure Regulator)
HKS Cams (264-272)
HKS Cam gear
JE Pistons
Toda Racing Lightened Flywheel
HKS GD Clutch Pro Multi-Plate Clutch
Kaaz LSD

Tein Type HA Damper Suspension
TRD Strut Tower brace
TRD Rear stabilising brace
TRD Anti-Roll Bars
Brembo Brakes kit
Bridgestone Potenza S03/RE-01/Toyo Proxes RA1

Racing Hart M35 Rims
Veilside body mods

Blitz DC & BL Series Guages
HKS Turbo Timer
APEX AVC
APEX SAFC
Sparco Seats
Momo Steering Wheel


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West_Minist

[1bwilson]

Might want Crower rods, some valve springs and one hell of a P&P.

-Bryan-

[cashew]

If you have a GT you can save yourself a lot of time and money by just doing the 3sgte swap. i know everyone always says that but its a lot easier to build up from that then on the 5sfe. just a suggestion.

[west_minist]

Thanks for your advice.

I am not worrying about the engine. Can we please forget about that!

As I said, the 3SGE engine will be prepared with all the neccessary stuff to rev high, for high boost and stability.

This topic really goes out to the swappers who have done it and what the results are since there do not have GTfour.

[west_minist]

No more additions from any one?

Wooh.

[boosted_K2]

looks like no posters on here have done the 3sgte yet...

[west_minist]

It seems very much so.

As the forum reaches the world, there might be replies.

What about you? what do you have?

[1bwilson]

People are not replying due to the fact that you have a very good list made now as it is. Any more feedback would be from someone who has done it already. I know of noone who has attempted to build a 3sge and thn turbo it. I say go for it, if it starts well there you go if not then we'll try to help figure out why.

When are your planning to embark(SP?) on this project?

-Bryan-

[NEVERSTOP]

The injectors are way TOO big...

you would run so rich that you would never make any power.

@500hp

Bsfc is 0.60
Injector duty is 0.75
Fuel pressure is 175 psi

what this means is if your running 500hp then you need injectors that are 524cc/min or 49.86 lb/hr

720cc injectors are way too powerful.

I will say that you won't need that many performance mods to hit 260hp... hell a jdm 3sgte 3rd gen/ r/c almost hits that stock.

I have not dynoed my car due to lack of dyno's in my area... if I had to guess it in the neighborhood of 350+

Also the greddy exhaust has the best flow for the 3sgte and its cheaper than the veilside one.

[boosted_K2]

hey neverstop ya got any pics under the hood??? dont worry not pulling the BS flag or nething, just wanna see that beastly engine!

[west_minist]

People are not replying due to the fact that you have a very good list made now as it is.  Any more feedback would be from someone who has done it already.  I know of noone who has attempted to build a 3sge and thn turbo it.  I say go for it, if it starts well there you go if not then we'll try to help figure out why.

When are your planning to embark(SP?) on this project?

-Bryan-

I am hpoing to purchase the 99 6g celica ST202 SII/III next year.

Once purcahse, there will be a testing period and then mods following the next year.

A 3rd gen. 3SGTE is a 3nd gen. 3SGE + Turbo. The 3SGE have strengthened parts and so on.

Most probably, the engine will be build from the 2nd gen. 3SGE.

Thanks.

What do you have and what have you done with it?

[west_minist]

The injectors are way TOO big...

you would run so rich that you would never make any power.

@500hp

Bsfc is 0.60
Injector duty is  0.75
Fuel pressure is 175 psi

what this means is if your running 500hp then you need injectors that are 524cc/min or 49.86 lb/hr

720cc injectors are way too powerful.

I will say that you won't need that many performance mods to hit 260hp... hell a  jdm 3sgte 3rd gen/ r/c almost hits that stock.

I have not dynoed my car due to lack of dyno's in my area... if I had to guess it in the neighborhood of 350+

Also the greddy exhaust has the best flow for the 3sgte  and its cheaper than the veilside one.

First of all, how does the nology wires feels?

Have you added the Crane Cams HI6 + Nology M80 coil yet?

You seem to have a MR2. Am I ccorrect?

I am aware of what a standard 3sgte can do.

I am building a strong engine up to 600hp and maybe+.

Currently, the 3sgte carries 540cc injec.

From what I gather, there max out close to 400HP.

I have decided to use either from 600-720cc for hp up to 600HP.

My aim is not to go that high, but just in case, I will have the flow for it.

I have not gotten consultation on this part , but I will from HKS and toysport when I am ready.

I want either toysport of fensport.com to prepare the engine for me. So all neccessary details will be pass on to them on my project.

[boosted_K2]

right now all i have power wise is just a greddy exhaust. this is because its one of the only power mods you can get where you can use it in both the 7afe (my stock) and 3sgte applications. i hope to do the 3s swap either next year or the year after.

1)exterior
2)suspension
3)3sgte

got my priorities streight!

[NEVERSTOP]

First of all, how does the nology wires feels?

Have you added the Crane Cams HI6 + Nology M80 coil yet?

You seem to have a MR2. Am I ccorrect?

As for ignition all I have at the moment are the nology wires and Denso Iridum plugs... am still debating on what I want right now for the rest of the ignition.

I did notice a fairly decent amount of responsiveness with the new wires and plugs.. installed them at the same time so I don't know which one made the better improvement but was well worth the money.

As for the injecters the ones that come with the 3sgte donot have a high enough bsfc and injector duty rating.. there are also differences in the pulse of the injectors. The injectors you listed will dump way to much fuel into your mixture and you will run too rich... I'm not saying that you don't know what your talking about I just saying that smaller cc injecters will do the job better... I made this mistake about a year ago and had to by another set of injecters.

Also I have a 94 that started life as a normal N/A GT.. Over the last 3 years I have been slowly building it into a GT4. You can view my profile for a list of some of the mods that have been done to the car.

PROFILE

hey neverstop ya got any pics under the hood??? dont worry not pulling the BS flag or nething, just wanna see that beastly engine!

I haven't taken any pics of it... Never had a reason to until I joined this website and the car is currently in pieces and about 150miles from where I live.. the engine is also torn apart- chroming the valve cover,altanater, and my intake/intercooler piping.

The car should be all completed this spring and I will post plenty of pics when I have them.

[NEVERSTOP]

A 3rd gen. 3SGTE is a 3nd gen. 3SGE + Turbo. The 3SGE have strengthened parts and so on.

This is not true... the 3sgte and 3sge are not the same motor +/- the turbo, go to the page listed below to read a little more.

3sgte vs 3sge

Just helping out not trying to be a dick or anything but alot of people have misconceptings about the 3sgte and 3sge and the more people that understand the difference the better... don't want people buying engines and then finding out that it isn't what they though it would be.... cus that would suck...alot

[west_minist]

Ok. From what I gather from Toysport documentation, it seems so.

I will check out the link.

[west_minist]

Ok. I see where you are coming from.

The head on both models are the same.

i was not talking about compression and so on.

It would be expected that the compression and internal would notr be the same.

In other words, toysport documknetation was actually talking about the Intake, Head and so on.

Check out the link below for additional info.
http://www.toysport.com/ENGINE%20EVOLUTION...0THE%203SGE.htm

[NEVERSTOP]

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was not talking about compression and so on. It would be expected that the compression and internal would notr be the same.

Compression is VERY important when it comes to boosting a car.
The lower the compression ratio the better your car will handle under high boost situations.. High compression ratios are already under a bigger load than low compression ratios... you add too much boost... you go BOOM!

Also you need to look at you cams... deration vs lift.

Deration... better for N/A... Natural Aspirated... engines, allows more time for air/fuel mix to enter the cylinders, but at a slower rate.

Lift... Better for forced induction... turbos and chargers... allows more rpms.. thus keeping up with the forced air. doesn't allow as much air/fuel to enter cylinder at one time but does it more often.

Remember... anytime that you mess with your deration/lift you are changing your engines timing and you need to pay attention to this... not doing so will cause damage to your engine... New gears and pullys and such are essensal when changing cams.

for a good list of cams for the 3sgte go to
ALLTRAC

click on the word "TUNNING" and you will see a really good selection for the 3sgte.

Buy the 3sgte instead of the 3sge.. you will save money by the time you are done.. you would basically have to put a stroker kit into the 3sge to make it full functional with a turbo on it... atleast $3000

Also you will want to look into a new pistion set for either engine... this can change your compression ratio and also your displacement slightly.

One more thing... on your original list you didn't list a new head gasket... the stock 3sgte head gasket is only good for 400hp and that is at the flywheel not the wheels.... what that means is if you make your car do 400hp at the wheels you are running anywhere between 450-500hp at the flywheel...****en transmissions... Neways the head gasket will blow! so you need to look into this.

[west_minist]

Thank you very much for your input!

I have added some parts to the kit . Jun Stroker and CamShaft kit, Jun Sprocket, HKS Header.

I am not to bother about the engine.

I might go with a 3sgte, but the way how toysport and fensport builds engines is from the 3sge spec grom which I gather.

I am aware of the compression ratios. I am not illiterate to the fact.

Thanks for the link NEVERSTOP for the 3sgte tuning. I spend sometime there.

Right now, I am worried about getting the car for next year. I have to import it from Japan.

Once attain and I feel comfortable with the car, will then decide on the mods.

Tell me something, can you send me a link on injectors, flow aret and other info I might need to decide on how big my injectors have to be for a specified HP.

I will also appreciate any other links you send me.

I am going to be very busy at work this week to really do some research.

Again, thanx NEVERSTOP!

[NEVERSTOP]

Feul injector worksheet

The site above is really good for injectors... otherwise just go to a search engine and type in FUEL INJECTORS and see what comes up.

Venom is another really good brand of injectors