SWAY BARS, Suspension techniques Options

[Supersprynt]

Dude, September 12, 1961? Time to program ur digital.

Thanks for the pic but damn its blurry.

[Digndoug]

So I dont get it, if it rubs against it no matter what u do, why both getting it, or its only before u pound on that peace?

[redGT]

Any updates on the clearance issues? Also, those with the rubbing: How far is your car lowered compared to stock?

[jgreening]

I originally thought the car being lowered was part of the problem but I don't think so anymore. I think its a design issue with the sway bars. The sway bars attach by a U shaped clip to the top side of lower members on the each side of the car. From there, the sway bar bends upwards and over the lower cross member that spans the width of the car. IMO, it seems as they simply travel to far up under the car and end up hitting the undercarriage. This "middle" section should simply be designed a little lower so that the bar would travel right inbetween the lower cross member and the undercarriage - but it doesn't. Both spedtoe and Jeremy had luck simply bending the undercarriage upward. I have not had as good of luck yet.

[redGT]

Viewing the pics in Jeremy's profile, it does seem to be a design issue if his car is not lowered. I'll have to do some more research before spending the money. What other brands besides the ST bars are available for the celica? I had an ST rear bar on my eclipse before junking it in favor of some thick-a$$ bars (front and rear) made by RMDSM. The Suspension Techniques bars IMO really aren't agressive enough for serious drivers.

[Supersprynt]

What if spacers were put above the u-clips, lowering them a bit?

[jgreening]

the u-clips sit upsidedown on the top side of the cross member. Putting spacers there would make the problem worse.

[Jeremy1210]

Heres an Idea for you guys that have lowered the car or are still having rubbing issues. I recently redid the grease on the spot where i bent the car, but before i put grease on, I had some extra really sticky dynamat(the kind with the silver backing and really sticky black stuff. I put that on and smooshed the hell outta it and the lubed it up. This might help with the noise. I did it for 1 reason, I accidentally put a hole in my undercarriage, so I used it to cover it.

This is just an idea, but I think it might help out. If one of you want to try it without buying it, I'll send you a piece or 2 to give it a shot.

Oh and trust me on the Marine Grease. It works wonders

Jeremy

[Supersprynt]

the u-clips sit upsidedown on the top side of the cross member.  Putting spacers there would make the problem worse.
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Gotcha, so has anybody contacted Susp. Tech. bout this? Perhaps we can get a response if a few of us write to them.

Or how bout using a different bushing?

This post has been edited by Supersprynt: Feb 9, 2005 - 2:17 PM

[jgreening]

the u-clips sit upsidedown on the top side of the cross member.  Putting spacers there would make the problem worse.
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Gotcha, so has anybody contacted Susp. Tech. bout this? Perhaps we can get a response if a few of us write to them.

Or how bout using a different bushing?
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I contacted them. They said the would pull in a celica and verify there is a problem. If they determine that there is, they have promised to address it. Although the representative appeared very genuine, I am not sure how long this might take. I contacted them about 10 days ago. No follow-up yet.

How would using a different bushing help?

This post has been edited by jgreening: Feb 9, 2005 - 3:57 PM

[JB1981]

I've got these bars on my 95 GT hatch. No rubbing issues, the car handles great and no noise when cornering. BUT. the thing makes the worst squeeking noises when going over bumps and bad pavement. I've lubed up the new bushings several times, no difference. Anyone else have a squeek problem rather than a metal on metal problem.

JB

[Digndoug]

I've got these bars on my 95 GT hatch.  No rubbing issues, the car handles great and no noise when cornering.  BUT.  the thing makes the worst squeeking noises when going over bumps and bad pavement.  I've lubed up the new bushings several times, no difference.  Anyone else have a squeek problem rather than a metal on metal problem.

JB
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way to bring up dead posts.. lol..

It was a bad design, and yeah your saposed to lube up a lot. They fixed the design now..

[JB1981]

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This post has been edited by JB1981: Oct 26, 2005 - 4:31 PM

[snapshotgt]

I've got these bars on my 95 GT hatch.  No rubbing issues, the car handles great and no noise when cornering.  BUT.  the thing makes the worst squeeking noises when going over bumps and bad pavement.  I've lubed up the new bushings several times, no difference.  Anyone else have a squeek problem rather than a metal on metal problem.

JB
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way to bring up dead posts.. lol..

It was a bad design, and yeah your saposed to lube up a lot. They fixed the design now..
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haha, i am bringing up a almost dead posting...hahaha ...they fixed the problem?...where do i get them (plzz attach a link:))

--for bang-for-the-buck-...should i get sway bars or strut bars?...i want to handle this baby like mad...i want some real stuff on a winding road...hehe (will stiffening up the suspention kill me on road trips?)

thanks for you responses-

-snapshotgt

[stephen_lee]

BUMP! sway bars or sturt bars for first suspension mod. which does more for handling??

[GTS13]

BUMP! sway bars or sturt bars for first suspension mod. which does more for handling??

Sways for sure.
Strut bars just prevent chassis twist whereas sways prevent body roll.

[SteveHall]

I've been doing some research into sway bars and have some questions:
1) Considering the Front engine, FWD, long celica will understeer (Unless you ahve made other mods) why does the front sway bar seem more popular than the rear, which should balance the over - understeer, and possibly get oversteer (good!).
2) I'm fairly sure about this, but could someone confirm that the rear strut bar doesn't have problems with knocking into the underbody.

3) I havn't put much thought / resarch into this yet, but how about a rear strut bar to get the car closer to oversteer, and a front strut bar to sharpen up the steering?

[HaRv3sTeR]

I've been doing some research into sway bars and have some questions:
1) Considering the Front engine, FWD, long celica will understeer (Unless you ahve made other mods) why does the front sway bar seem more popular than the rear, which should balance the over - understeer, and possibly get oversteer (good!).
2) I'm fairly sure about this, but could someone confirm that the rear strut bar doesn't have problems with knocking into the underbody.

3) I havn't put much thought / resarch into this yet, but how about a rear strut bar to get the car closer to oversteer, and a front strut bar to sharpen up the steering?

I also have the same #2 question....im interested into buying F/R ST sways..but i want to be sure im not buying the 'old' model which was knocking...was it the front or rear that had that issue anyway?

How do we know that we're buying the 'good' model?

This post has been edited by HaRv3sTeR: Nov 21, 2007 - 8:42 AM

[thespacepanda]

Bump cuz I'm thinking of getting a set and I'd really like to know

[airfron]

The old versions of ST sways are out of production so the company that you purchase the sway bars from will have to tell you when they got them or if they know what version they have. The front was the one that had issues with rubbing. the rear has no problems whatsoever as i have had none and the sway bar i recieved was an older version